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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Sir Isaac's 3 laws of motion are:

    1st Law of Motion: If the vector sum of the forces acting on an object is zero, then the velocity change of the object will remain zero (leaving it at rest if it is at rest, and leaving it at its velocity if it is not).

    Due to F=mA.

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    2nd Law of Motion: F=M A
    The total force acting on an object is equal to the object's acceleration times its mass. A net force on an object will accelerate that object at a rate proportional to the strength of and in the same direction as that force. Thus, if a force acts on two objects of different mass, the one with a larger mass will have a lower acceleration. In the international system of units, the unit of force is the newton, which is the amount of force that gives an object with a mass of 1 kg an acceleration of 1 m/sec2.

    3rd Law of Motion: Every action has an opposite and equal reaction, conserving both linear and angular momentum.
    Do to F=mA.
    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    I didn't assert "falsification".
    Yes you did.
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    My wording was deliberately more subtle: "Then Einstein came along and blue Newton's doors in." Please note the deliberately whimsical mis-spelling of the word blew to emphasize the point.

    I know. I took the course at university. BUT !! In astrophysics we use Newton's laws of motion sparingly, as their precision diverges at great speed or powerful gravity, as both "slow down time", relativistically speaking.
    Newton's and Keplers laws describe the movement of every planet accurately.
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    Bottom line, many persons imagine there's a set of laws science understands, that govern our cosmos.

    That's wrong.
    Because it's a void argument.
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    Nuclear physics operates by rules that don't apply in Newton's world, or Einstein's for that matter.
    It applies to both.
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    So we know there are at least 3 different sets of rules. But there are still observed phenomena our 3 rule books can't account for.
    A theory isn't a 'rule'. It is a theory.
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    The accelerating expansion of our cosmos is near the top of that list.
    You have no idea what the cosmos is doing. You only see the little bit that you see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    Newton didn't create anything.......he merely noticed it......
    He created two theories: The Theory of Universal Gravitation, and the Theory of Motion. He formalized both theories into mathematical form. We still use those theories and laws today.

    Newton also did something that no other scientist had done. He focused science on the study of what mass was, what acceleration was, and what 'force' was. Much of the research in science has been in those areas since.

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    "Newton didn't create anything.......he merely noticed it...... " PP
    Sir Isaac was born centuries before precision digital chronometers. So Newton's physics lab needed some other way to conduct is falling body experiments, with a time meter no more sophisticated than a pendulum.
    So how did Newton, perhaps the greatest scientist in history solve this problem? He weakened gravity, or at least modified the force vector (measured in "Newtons").

    I've read accounts of Einstein UNDERSTANDING his concepts, but not mastering the math until later. In contrast Newton not only knew calculus. Newton invented it.

    IN #631

    You're in a very familiar mode here. I read you like a dime novel.
    You're promoting your own delusion that you're superior to me, by telling me information I mastered in the previous millennium. Get over yourself.

    On your feeble quibble over the number of Newton's laws, there's more than one way to teach it.
    But I'm both a traditionalist, and a conservative. I have no problem adhering to the standards by which I've been taught for over half a century.
    Let us begin our explanation of how Newton changed our understanding of the Universe by enumerating his Three Laws of Motion.

    http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~blackm...on3laws16.html
    "his Three Laws of Motion."

    I'll not dispute or even debate the hair-splitting point you're trying to make. Whatever you do with it you'll do without me. Your disagreement isn't with me. It's with the numerous authoritative sources such as the one I've quoted above.
    The accelerating expansion of our cosmos is near the top of that list.

    "You have no idea what the cosmos is doing. You only see the little bit that you see." IN #631
    Unlike you?

    Change your multiple "you" to "we", have your secretary type it up, and have it on my desk by morning, and I'll sign it. But your insinuation that your information is better than mine, or that you're superior to me in some substantial way on this issue is laughable, unless you're an astronomer, or astrophysicist. And I deduce that you are not.

    So what do you plan to be for Halloween IN? Yourself? That'll scare the $#@! out of the children!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    This whole thread could be synopsized in the last sentence lol.
    Any time anyone starts spouting "science" as absolute, I like thinking of the Bumble Bee; because "science" can be used to show that a Bumble Bee is not capable of flight, something to do with size and wings, but the Bumble Bee doesn't care about that and just keeps flying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    He created two theories: The Theory of Universal Gravitation, and the Theory of Motion.
    it's a fucking shame we didn't have gravity before Newton.....I like his fig cookies though....

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    "Any time anyone starts spouting "science" as absolute" U9 #634
    Science as a result may not be absolute. But as a methodology it's on fairly solid footing.
    What humanity has achieved with science is impressive; even if it's merely a reflection of more detailed understanding of our natural world.
    "there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." St. Luke 12:2
    U9 adds:
    "I like thinking of the Bumble Bee; because "science" can be used to show that a Bumble Bee is not capable of flight, something to do with size and wings, but the Bumble Bee doesn't care about that and just keeps flying." U9
    I recognize the reference.
    In the '50's some said -science says bumblebees can't fly-
    That's false.

    This isn't the failing of science. It's the failing of accurate reporting.
    I gather the correct assessment is bumblebees can't glide very well.
    But the dispute seems to have factored out the energy input from the bee.

    FYI bumblebees do fly.
    "shame we didn't have gravity before Newton.....I like his fig cookies though...." PP #635
    Mmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    You sir have the ramblings of a diseased mind.
    At least I'm not a Nazi (National Socialist) who want to neutralize my enemy with a final solution.
    The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    At least I'm not a Nazi (National Socialist) who want to neutralize my enemy with a final solution.
    I have my doubts about that Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    You obviously haven't been paying attention to this thread, or even your own argument.

    I have already listed evidence for both cases. Argument of the stone fallacy.

    Void argument fallacy.

    Argument of ignorance fallacy.

    Argument of ignorance fallacy.

    Science doesn't address the issue. Science is agnostic.

    There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is only evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of any god or gods.
    Jane, you ignorant slut. Vomit your meritless and disassociated criticisms elsewhere, not within my perfect exposition of knowledge.
    You wouldn't scribble on the Mona Lisa, would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    For people who don't give a fuck, you all certainly spend a hell of a lot of time telling us about why we are going to end up there...and the amount of joy that will give you because we dared not believe in your fairy tale and your chosen god hates not being believed in.
    I knew a libertarian on another board who was forever blabbering about 'force' and 'harm'.

    "As long as someone's actions don't harm me, I see no reason to use force to stop him from doing whatever he likes..."

    He was also a religious churchgoer. I'd point out that he worshipped a God who would burn me in hell forever if I chose not to believe in Him. His answer? He'd whine about how low I had sunk in using that argument. I thought it was a good example of his glaring hypocrisy.

    The other point about him was that he couldn't wrap his mind around how others can harm indirectly. For instance, he believed that a pilot who served his time for crashing a plane while drunk and killing 400 passengers, should be allowed to fly people again after he served his sentence...

    Duhh....
    The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.

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    " he worshipped a God who would burn me in hell forever if I chose not to believe in Him. His answer? He'd whine about how low I had sunk in using that argument. I thought it was a good example of his glaring hypocrisy. " RL #640
    Me too.
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    Stephen Hawking was very popular with the Palestinians- almost revered.


    How Stephen Hawking supported the Palestinian cause

    The renowned scientist, who has passed away, will be remembered not only for his work, but his support for Palestine.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...085553648.html


    Last edited by moon; 10-22-2018 at 03:15 AM.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    I am not trying to seem like a genius.


    For what it's worth, you do seem to have a better grasp of it than most people here.

    True. They are also illiterate in logic.

    Nevertheless it is supporting evidence. I never said evidence is a proof. I've said the opposite consistently.

    Inversion fallacy.

    I am not asking you to leave. Indeed, we agree on the basic argument that you making, that one cannot prove the existence or non-existence of any god or gods. You are one of very few people that have arrived at this conclusion.
    Your second to last sentence is a lie, show one instance of anyone here asserting that one can prove the existence or disprove the existence of god.
    However, were a 500 foot bearded man with a harp to walk from over the horizon, make it rain frogs and part the seas with his thoughts we would all agree a god had been proven.
    On the other hand, should something like that never appear, we could still not disprove god.
    What you are trying to say is that god cannot be reasoned a priori.

    What religious people seemingly fails to apprehend is that theirs is a false assumed dichotomy.
    There is only the real world, the natural world, the observed world. There is no imagined world
    other than the chemistry in the brain associated with that undertaking. Nobody needs to prove that
    nothing is nothing, and the only way to demonstrate anything is by supplying something real.
    That presents a paradox for believers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Science as a result may not be absolute. But as a methodology it's on fairly solid footing.
    What humanity has achieved with science is impressive; even if it's merely a reflection of more detailed understanding of our natural world.

    U9 adds:

    I recognize the reference.
    In the '50's some said -science says bumblebees can't fly-
    That's false.

    This isn't the failing of science. It's the failing of accurate reporting.
    I gather the correct assessment is bumblebees can't glide very well.
    But the dispute seems to have factored out the energy input from the bee.

    FYI bumblebees do fly.

    Mmmmm
    When new facts are discovered science updates itself, cannot say that about religions and their bibles where bats are called birds and references to unicorns and stars fall to the sky
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    "Your second to last sentence is a lie, show one instance of anyone here asserting that one can prove the existence or disprove the existence of god." M #643
    Child's play
    for those that use their own head for something other than keeping rain out of their neck.

    It's a logical, and indisputable proof that god exists.

    a) The cosmos can be divided into two categories:
    a1) those things that are man-made
    a2) everything else

    b) We call that "everything else" (a2) "creation". That's what it's called!

    c) Well? If there is a creaTION then there must be a CreaTOR, by definition.

    d) And the religionists have planted their linguistic flag on calling our CreaTOR "god".

    Every time you eat a Brussels sprout you're proving god exists.

    Have a nice day, by god.
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