‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

[sear]

PS g #644

I know.

Religion presses an agenda of conclusion.

Science merely pursues discovery of truth.

- Trust those that seek the truth, distrust those that claim to have found it. - paraphrase of words attributed to the Buddha

[Rob Larrikin]

RL #618

I'm not religious.
But I know some that are.

And a subset of them seem to thrive, not merely despite it, but perhaps to some unknown degree, because of it.

Sir Isaac Newton thought he'd defined physics fairly well. His 3 laws of motion are about the most recent laws I know of.

Then Einstein came along and blue Newton's doors in.

Does it matter?
Maybe there really is NOT such a thing as a talking serpent, or a pregnant virgin. So?

Religious persons can still get dressed up, go to church, mosque or synagogue, receive inspiration, and maintain their social ties to their community.

"god works in wondrous ways."

I don't begrudge anyone. To paraphrase Dr. Joy Browne, even if it means shoving an M&M up their nose, if it works for them, fine.

But I confess my own preference for reality-based belief systems; even at the expense of social isolation. Perhaps that's why I post in these fora. On line vs in church, I don't have to worry whether Mr. Larmer has had a bath this month. Pew!

Science evolves as new evidence is found, hence Newton is necessary to have an Einstein. Einstein is necessary to have Hawking, and so on. With science you end up with the answers. Meanwhile religion remains fixed in one position. The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.

The problem is that many people die thanks to religion. They die for a menu of reasons.

1) Millions commit suicide because they figure they will wake up in paradise, and many take their kids with them.

2) Many wars are based on religious beliefs and this leads to uncountable deaths

3) Technology is held back by the church (it hates science) and that leads to millions of deaths that could have been avoided

4) The church opposes birth control, which leads to millions dying agonizing deaths of starvation, disease, etc.

5) Things like 9/11 happen because religious nutters believe they will be rewarded with paradise and virgins, etc. This kills many more.

Religion is a killer. That's why we need to wake up an smell the witchdoctor.

I'm glad you did, but billions haven't, so there's a long way to go.

[moon]

It's a logical, and indisputable proof that god exists.

a) The cosmos can be divided into two categories:
a1) those things that are man-made
a2) everything else

Sorry- but your part a1 is simply a re-shaping of elements of part a2.

b) We call that "everything else" (a2) "creation". That's what it's called!

That's simply a simplistic layman's term for matter.

c) Well? If there is a creaTION then there must be a CreaTOR, by definition.

' Creator ' is just a simplistic term for approaching an understanding of matter. It shouldn't be taken literally.

d) And the religionists have planted their linguistic flag on calling our CreaTOR "god".

True

Every time you eat a Brussels sprout you're proving god exists.

That would be at Christmas with grannie moon. Her house, her beliefs prevail.

Have a nice day, by god.

You too. Maybe there will be more matter tomorrow than there is today. Maybe not.

[Ralph]

The famous theoretical physicist died in March this year at the age of 76 but left behind some truly astonishing predictions in his final book which has just been released. One of his bold predictions in his book titled Brief Answers To The Big Questions was that God does not exist.

He described his claim there is no afterlife or higher power as a “profound realisation”. Professor Hawking wrote in the newly-published book: “We are free to believe what we want, and it’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...n-hawking-book

One thing is for sure.....He might not have believed in God or Heaven but he knew there was a Hell, being trapped in dead body. Its no wonder He looked his entire life (and failed) attempting to prove the non-existence of God.....just like Carl Sagan. Both dedicated (wasted) their God given talents in a field where no absolute Truths(facts) were required....in a field were theory and conjecture are king. Cosmology. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[Rob Larrikin]

I have my doubts about that Rob.

That's because you believed the Fake News liberals created about Hitler being right winged. He was a socialist, and very left winged. In order to figure this all out you need to throw out everything you've been taught and start again - an unlikely event.

[moon]

That's because you believed the Fake News liberals created about Hitler being right winged. He was a socialist, and very left winged. In order to figure this all out you need to throw out everything you've been taught and start again - an unlikely event.

Easy for him. He's been taught fuck-all.

[Micawber]

Child's play
for those that use their own head for something other than keeping rain out of their neck.

It's a logical, and indisputable proof that god exists.

a) The cosmos can be divided into two categories:
a1) those things that are man-made
a2) everything else

b) We call that "everything else" (a2) "creation". That's what it's called!

c) Well? If there is a creaTION then there must be a CreaTOR, by definition.

d) And the religionists have planted their linguistic flag on calling our CreaTOR "god".

Every time you eat a Brussels sprout you're proving god exists.

Have a nice day, by god.

Sear wrote that?

[Micawber]

When new facts are discovered science updates itself, cannot say that about religions and their bibles where bats are called birds and references to unicorns and stars fall to the sky

Well, the Catholic Chruch updates itself every 500 years after the rest of the world has when the Pope pretends to channel the cloud guy. The protestant churches seem to catch up to reality a bit more frequently when they channel that same
dude.

[Micawber]

Hitler seems left wing to Rob Larrikin?

[sear]

"Science evolves" RL #647

Not merely a two word poem, but a story. Thanks. I like it.

"3) Technology is held back by the church (it hates science)" RL

Not before Galileo.
Here's the scriptural declaration.

"there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." St. Luke 12:2

The problem is, Galileo's astronomical observations exposed scriptural error.
And that was so serious an infraction Galileo was tortured for it.

"Religion is a killer." RL

Let's step deliberately here.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." sometimes attributed to Seneca the Younger (c.3 BCE - CE 65)

Be careful to not shift the blame that belongs to the religion exploiters, to religion itself.

Some religionists say "an eye for an eye".
BUT !!
Those that understand that passage observe that the intended scriptural point such practice leads to the land of the blind.

Whereas:

"Turn the other cheek" does not.

I'm not arguing for or against Christianity. But I'm overwhelmed by the power of pacifism, like that practiced by Gandhi, MLK, and perhaps Mandela. When I see the video of the point of the parade being clubbed by police after crossing the Pettus bridge; ...
Did MLK not do as much to change the U.S. culture as Abe Lincoln?

[Ralph]

Hitler seems left wing to Rob Larrikin?

News flash: Hitler was an extreme left wing SOCIALIST that despised free market capitalism, the successful wealthy. Not to mention his polices mirror today's progressive (wink, wink) left wing social policies in the USA. Hitler attempted to create jobs through the state, infrastructure SHOVEL READY JOBS (sound familiar?), promising state sponsored day care for women who had to go into the work force, STATE CONTROLLED EDUCATION for the children, Nationalized healthcare for all.....(the similarities are scary with today's democrat party), GUN CONTROL, Eugenics...i.e., state sponsored abortion and rejection of those less desirable children,

…………..MY FAVORITE, blaming the 1%ers, the wealthy JEWS for all of Germany's problems, (again, it sends a shiver up my spine just looking at the mirrored history of NAZISM and PROGRESSIVISM today). And now....just like HITLER'S NAZI PARTY, the left in the US is guilty of turning the Federal police forces into weapons to attack and destroy anyone opposed to their ideology. Moles in the FBI, the CIA, the IRS, etc., have been found guilty of abusing their government office power to target political opponents.


Its clear HITLER WAS A PROPONENT OF "BIG GOVERNMENT" and an open enemy of free market capitalism. What is the difference in National Socialism and Socialism? SEMANTICS. A lying dog is a lying dog however one wishes to describe it. You can spray a pile of shit with perfume.....but in the end it just smells like shit with perfume on it. State controlled banking system. (Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac anyone, the progressive FED anyone?)


You can't rewrite history, you can't revise TRUTH. Truth is documented.....propaganda runs from truth.

[USFREEDOM911]

One thing is for sure.....He might not have believed in God or Heaven but he knew there was a Hell, being trapped in dead body. Its no wonder He looked his entire life (and failed) attempting to prove the non-existence of God.....just like Carl Sagan. Both dedicated (wasted) their God given talents in a field where no absolute Truths(facts) were required....in a field were theory and conjecture are king. Cosmology. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And my conclusion is this:
Most of those denying the existence of God are usually someone who had a problem they wanted God to "fix" and it didn't happen, so that means there is no God.

God answers all prayers and sometimes the answer is NO.

[USFREEDOM911]

Well, the Catholic Chruch updates itself every 500 years after the rest of the world has when the Pope pretends to channel the cloud guy. The protestant churches seem to catch up to reality a bit more frequently when they channel that same
dude.

And Muslims do this when?? :ditto:

[Rob Larrikin]

Hitler seems left wing to Rob Larrikin?

Hitler’s National Socialist Worker’s Party (The Nazi Party) nationalized factories, took over companies, dictated production to private corporations, set price and wage controls, destroyed large retail outlets, maintained universal health care, placed limits on stock dividends, controlled capital and the means of production. The Socialist label Hitler picked was very deliberately chosen, for very clear reasons.

For those who say that Hitler hated other socialists; so what? Hating other socialists doesn’t cancel out one’s socialism, just as hating other capitalists doesn’t cancel out one’s capitalism. Also, there are different types of socialists. Stalin killed Trotsky. Because the Nazis killed certain socialists is no argument that they themselves weren't socialists. Who says that socialist A can't kill socialist B? It happens throughout modern history.

As to the "outlawing of labor unions", this is evidence the Nazis were central planners. When a central government bans or outlaws any non-violent activity, it is evidence of central planning, not some free market or unregulated society.

Quite often Socialists purge or murder various groups, minorities and races. Hitler did this with Jews, blacks, gypsies, and others. The Soviet Union did the same with different groups, including Jews. Mao purged various groups too, as did Kim.

“In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed down in 1948. The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951.”

Stalin and antisemitism - Wikipedia

Nazis took over the means of production. Some examples include Junkers Flugzeug.

Junkers - Wikipedia

There was the automobile industry:

"Hitler envisioned widespread car ownership as part of the new Germany. He arranged for designer Ferdinand Porsche to draw up plans for the KdF-wagen (Strength Through Joy car), intended to be an automobile that every German citizen could afford."

Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Wage and price controls.

"Göring instituted wage and price controls and restricted the issuance of stock dividends."

Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Controlling retail stores

“The Nazis were determined to eliminate the presence of large department stores (many of which were owned by Jews), and began to implement policies to curb their influence and expansion. Strict licensing requirements and temporary bans (all of which became permanent even after their expiry date) were passed which had an immediate effect on retail."

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Dictating to industry

Cars and other forms of motorized transport became increasingly attractive to the population, and the German motor industry boomed.[37] However, the government in Berlin banned many types of vehicles and allowed the production of only 19 different models of cars and trucks.[38] This decreased consumer choice and profits, and combined with rubber shortages to create what an American observer called, “drastic restrictions on the use of motor vehicles”.

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Let’s not forget Germany's Universal Health Care, which the Nazis kept.

After WWII, Socialists in the West were very embarrassed by revelations about National Socialist Hitler’s atrocities. They scurried to distance themselves from him, by labeling him a “right winged fascist.” This was to protect the Left from his actions. This was okay as long as the Liberal media were in charge of information, but when the internet came along, the myth was exposed. Today many millions are setting the record straight online. A Bing search brings up millions of results.

[Rob Larrikin]

Not merely a two word poem, but a story. Thanks. I like it.

You’re welcome.

Not before Galileo.

The very first witchdoctor persecuted the very first inventor. It’s been that way ever since. There is a perfect political and psychological reason for that.

The witchdoctor holds a vital job dependent on the chief believing he knows his magic. Should the chief lose confidence in the witchdoctor, it could mean his life. Each time the witchdoctor tosses some bones on the ground and makes a prediction, he worries that if his prediction doesn’t work out, the chief might have him stoned to death. He lives a dangerous life.

One way to keep his position safe is to eliminate the competition. One day a guy invents a way to start a fire using friction. This is mind-blowing. The witchdoctor sees it and is jealous. He realizes his position is threatened by this upstart and decides to fix the problem by turning it against the inventor. He declares the man a devil, and his fire making a devil’s trick, frowned upon by God. He orders the man killed immediately, and his invention destroyed and never spoken of again. The chief never gets to hear about it.

Witchdoctors held back science in this way for millennia. Only when the inventor was lucky enough to survive witchdoctors, and general religious superstitions were the inventions able to survive.

Galileo? He was victim number 3,930,832.