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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The BB is a theory that attempts to account for cosmological origins and doesn’t say anything about the origin of life.

    Actually, the BB assumes a singularly that inexplicably popped into existence and then expanded into what we know as the present universe. The cosmological red shift is good evidence that the universe is expanding. I see no good reason to reject it.
    Life had to come from somewhere, didn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The BB is a theory that attempts to account for cosmological origins and doesn’t say anything about the origin of life.

    Actually, the BB assumes a singularly that inexplicably popped into existence and then expanded into what we know as the present universe. The cosmological red shift is good evidence that the universe is expanding. I see no good reason to reject it.
    I am sure you meant "singularity."

    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I am sure you meant "singularity."

    Right?
    Yes, it’s early lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Life had to come from somewhere, didn't it?
    The reigning assumption is that life self-organized from organic precursors.

    I take that as having faith in miracles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    - dandy -
    Take it up with the doctor that asserted it. I didn't endorse the idea. I presented it as an informed opinion. BUT !! If your PhD trumps his, please inform us of the details.

    I'm a scientist.
    a very ignorant one......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    That's not a "revelation" it is an opinion. While he and I generally agree on this one, it really isn't a revelation and it wasn't "from the afterlife". Unless this is going to be me "from the afterlife" once I die too...
    we miss you already....

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    "I take that as having faith in miracles." DO #439
    It may seem miraculous to the layman.

    But Earth has lots & lots of room. And life at this threshold level involves chemistry that's nearly unsuppressible. Even today our planet's chemistry demonstrates this potential.

    one "teaspoon [of ocean water] will contain millions of bacteria, and 10's of millions of viruses. ... when we try to culture these organisms only about a tenth of a percent of them have ever grown in the laboratory. ...
    Every 200 miles, 85% of the organisms and sequences were unique to the region.
    ... each site differs from each other. But the diversity and the amount of organisms is extremely high everywhere. There's different ones that grow in the cold water of the North Atlantic, than in the South Atlantic. The Atlantic ocean is different than the Pacific ocean. ... The most important thing we found is these photo-receptors see the color of light in the region reflected by the sea water.
    In the Sargasso Sea, it's a deep indigo blue. The photo-receptors, it's like having one eye, only see blue light. You get into coastal waters, say see green light reflected off the chlorophyll. And a single letter change in the genetic code changes one amino acid in this protein, that changes the wavelength of light that these receptors see." Craig Venter, from his Global Ocean Sampling Expedition

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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    It may seem miraculous to the layman.

    But Earth has lots & lots of room. And life at this threshold level involves chemistry that's nearly unsuppressible. Even today our planet's chemistry demonstrates this potential.

    one "teaspoon [of ocean water] will contain millions of bacteria, and 10's of millions of viruses. ... when we try to culture these organisms only about a tenth of a percent of them have ever grown in the laboratory. ...
    Every 200 miles, 85% of the organisms and sequences were unique to the region.
    ... each site differs from each other. But the diversity and the amount of organisms is extremely high everywhere. There's different ones that grow in the cold water of the North Atlantic, than in the South Atlantic. The Atlantic ocean is different than the Pacific ocean. ... The most important thing we found is these photo-receptors see the color of light in the region reflected by the sea water.
    In the Sargasso Sea, it's a deep indigo blue. The photo-receptors, it's like having one eye, only see blue light. You get into coastal waters, say see green light reflected off the chlorophyll. And a single letter change in the genetic code changes one amino acid in this protein, that changes the wavelength of light that these receptors see." Craig Venter, from his Global Ocean Sampling Expedition

    Chemistry to life is ‘unsuppressable’ lol?

    Can we see the equations?
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    "a very ignorant one...... " PP #440
    And what in your opinion have I ignored?

    Science is a discipline PP. I'm not a scientist in every field. But a scientist need only be a scientist in one. And with that basic training, ones approach to perception and problem solving is forever advanced.

    Again I invite you to cite what it is you think I'm ignorant of. But I know you won't, because I know you can't, because I know I'm not.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    "Chemistry to life is ‘unsuppressable’ lol?" DO #443
    Yep.
    Some reactions need to be catalyzed, or in other ways artificially sustained or regulated. The types of nuclear reactions that energize commercial power-plants may belong in that category.

    But due to chemical volatility, the goldilocks orbit of Earth where ambient H2O is in the very narrow 100C degree temperature & pressure bands where H2O is liquid, and thus promoting convection and other favorable conditions.

    Don't forget. Back then there were no predators. So even defenseless life had a pretty good chance of survival.
    All the first life had to do was be able to self-duplicate. And in our oceans of organic soup, it's difficult to imagine how that could have been prevented.

    We can approximate how likely such first life was, by noting the interval of time between when conditions first became capable of supporting it, to when it seems to have begun. In geological time-scale, that time interval seems to have been fairly brief.
    "Can we see the equations?" DO
    It would never occur to me to prevent you.
    Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Yep.
    Some reactions need to be catalyzed, or in other ways artificially sustained or regulated. The types of nuclear reactions that energize commercial power-plants may belong in that category.

    But due to chemical volatility, the goldilocks orbit of Earth where ambient H2O is in the very narrow 100C degree temperature & pressure bands where H2O is liquid, and thus promoting convection and other favorable conditions.

    Don't forget. Back then there were no predators. So even defenseless life had a pretty good chance of survival.
    All the first life had to do was be able to self-duplicate. And in our oceans of organic soup, it's difficult to imagine how that could have been prevented.

    We can approximate how likely such first life was, by noting the interval of time between when conditions first became capable of supporting it, to when it seems to have begun. In geological time-scale, that time interval seems to have been fairly brief.

    It would never occur to me to prevent you.
    Enjoy.
    Forgive me for being a Doubting Thomas lol.

    Did you mean to say nuclear reactions played a part in the origin of life? To get from lifeless chemical reactions to living things requires a code of some sort or you end up with haphazardly arranged molecules. And almost all of these are too volatile to survive because they would be subject to degradation.

    If you believe life can self arrange from chemicals you have faith in miracles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Anyone supposing that someone asserting "there are no gods"...is using reason and science to arrive there...does not understand reason or science.
    False....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    If you are saying that there is any evidence that no gods exist...

    ...produce it.

    There is none.

    The theist with their gods and worship ARE FULL OF SHIT. They are operating from a position of a blind guess.

    The people who say "there are no gods" are just as FULL OF SHIT. They also are operating from a position of a blind guess.

    If you cannot get that...too bad for you.



    That is not even close to what I am doing.

    I am saying that the assertion "there is a GOD" is a blind guess...and that the assertion "there are no gods" IS EVERY BIT AS MUCH A BLIND GUESS.

    Atheists and other people who blindly guess that there are no gods...want to think their position is built on logic, reason, science, and such.

    IT ISN'T. IT IS A BLIND GUESS...just like the blind guess "there is a GOD."



    If you are asserting there are no gods...I thank you for sharing your blind guess.



    As you should be able to tell from my comments to you, I am hardly likely to do that.
    If you and I can agree on what the attributes are of a god, then I can produce mountains of evidence there is no god. Until then we simply must disagree.
    I'm pretty sure you will not be forthcoming. I assume for the sake of discussion it includes the typical attributes in western civilization attributed to one including: omniscience, omnipotence,
    actions demonstrating magical ability, nonconformance with Newtonian physics, a giant turtle with the universe on its back, people living in clouds tampering with
    the goings on on mortals,commandments written in stone of impossible provenance sitting on Mount Nebo, burning bushes talking to people, demonstration
    of the power to turn mortals to salt if gazed upon, little partly goat partly manchild perverts hopping around playing pipes... That is how the fables identify one.
    If you are of the type who, if I present to you an ordinary apple you will not exclude from its characteristics godliness, then again, there is nothing to discuss.

    So, upon your assent that a god is defined by the historical endowments such as these, I will produce 5 trillion molecules of evidence that there is no god.
    It would be unreasonable and unscientific for you to discard all the evidence. The assertion that there is no god is therefore neither unreasonable nor unscientific.
    It is a matter of weighing the physical evidence and probability that one exists. I can not prove there is no god anymore than I can prove there is no an exit 1 mile down the road
    until I get there. But if I have traveled 1000 miles down the road and there have been no exit, I don't bet against that streak in the next mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    As I say, kitsch. Combining Jesus with socialism is like getting Groucho Marx to have a sex change and be a Charles Manson groupie.
    Like most Yank fascists you haven't any notion about what Socialism is - or Christianity, come to that.

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    "Did you mean to say nuclear reactions played a part in the origin of life?" DO #446
    I neither suggested nor implied that.
    Instead I was reminding that under ambient terrestrial conditions (unlike that in stars) some reactions require precise process controls; whereas others are spontaneous.
    I cited it as an example of the distinction.
    Such CHEMICAL reactions happen spontaneously on Earth.
    Such NUCLEAR reactions do not; thus the counter-example. Capisce?
    "To get from lifeless chemical reactions to living things requires a code of some sort or you end up with haphazardly arranged molecules." DO
    It's somewhat the reverse.
    It starts with haphazardly scattered chemicals. And life might be said to begin when an aggregation within such chemistry begins to duplicate itself.
    "And almost all of these are too volatile to survive because they would be subject to degradation." DO
    Yes, we know.
    Too stable, and life would not have begun.
    Too volatile and the instability would have undermined, overwhelmed, & prevented evolution.
    "If you believe life can self arrange from chemicals you have faith in miracles." DO
    So it might seem to some.
    I quoted Venter in #442. All that goes on in one teaspoon full of water. Well how many teaspoons full of water do you suppose Earth had back then? Quintilians? Brazilians?
    But it's not merely the vast volume.
    It's the chemistry variation, some portions of the sea are fed by fresh water rivers unusually high in alkalinity.
    There are variations not just in chemistry, but sunlight, temperature, turbulence, depth, etc.
    With a laboratory the size of a planet, and with time scales that are thousands if not millions of millennia, the wonder might have been if it had NOT happened.

    UNDERSTOOD.
    To the mortal mind, it's difficult to comprehend.
    But to the disciplined scientific mind, it's the most plausible explanation.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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