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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    No.

    But calling a blind guess a "belief"...and then demanding that people give your blind guess respect because you call your blind guess a "belief"...sucks.
    Blind Guess? look around you if you do nothing else! Look in the mirror! You ask for respect for your non belief, and disparage those who do believe, incredible. Don't believe more quietly.

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    I thought all this stuff had been dealt with in the middle of the Nineteenth Century, back in Darwin's time. The kind of 'God' described in the Bible, indeed the very notion of such a Force, Person or whatever, seems very hard to reconcile with our current knowledge of the Universe(s). All we can say is that the kind of behaviour recommended by Jesus of Nazareth seems more compatible with the survival of Humanity than capitalism, but you could probably say the same about Gautama Buddha. It doesn't seem sensible to play re-enactment games about Nineteenth Century Theology versus Nineteenth Century Science at this late date though, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence

    The New Testament is constantly under attack, and its reliability and accuracy are often contested by critics. If the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy . . . and they are very consistent.
    It’s called a circular argument. Very popular among thumpers.

    I can disregard a virgin birth. I can disregard a person walking on water, bringing back the dead, and a resurrection. I can disregard those children’s stories and still give credibility to Plato and Aristotle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Indeed.

    But if you’re looking for a purely scientific answer from Hawking you’d probably be disappointed: Hawking has to put his philosophers hat on just like the rest of us.

    There’s no proving either way on the God question.
    I'm not saying he was going to have a hard-core scientific reason but I do think he probably made an educated guess instead of just a blind guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    I'm not saying he was going to have a hard-core scientific reason but I do think he probably made an educated guess instead of just a blind guess.
    And insodoing, wonder into the realm of philosophers lol.

    Hawking gave a clue in the OP: the ‘simplest’ explanation is there is no God. He fell back on Occam’s Razor. That’s a philosophical tool. Granted, he could appeal to the multiverse hypothesis [and get way over our heads with the math and physics behind it] to get around the implications of a universe with a beginning—but he’s still in the same boat as the rest of when it comes back to the fundamental question of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Oh, stop.

    There is such an arrogance to the whole "if you don't believe as I do, you will spend eternity in hell" thing. Get over it.
    I'm sorry.......its not something you 'get over'.........ever........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post



    And some of us just say, "Why bother?"
    blindly say "why bother"......

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    PMP in preachy mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    How idiotic is that?

    why do christers get angry when people reject their mythology and then come up with revenge fantasies that they hope their god carry's out
    because it is sad when you and Satan win another soul.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Hawking was a brilliant physicist, I'm guessing there was more to his opinion than just a blind guess.
    there was error.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    And insodoing, wonder into the realm of philosophers lol.

    Hawking gave a clue in the OP: the ‘simplest’ explanation is there is no God. He fell back on Occam’s Razor. That’s a philosophical tool. Granted, he could appeal to the multiverse hypothesis [and get way over our heads with the math and physics behind it] to get around the implications of a universe with a beginning—but he’s still in the same boat as the rest of when it comes back to the fundamental question of God.
    I suspect this is close to what he was intending to do after the hook pulled everyone in but unfortunately he didn't make it that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    there was error.....
    and you base this on.....let me guess, faith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    PMP in preachy mode.
    thingie in an 'eternity of regretting his poor choices' mode.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    thingie in an 'eternity of regretting his poor choices' mode.....
    Like I said, I'll be just fine.

    You probably think heaven is some exclusive country club that bars all liberals. It probably looks like a Trump rally to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    I suspect this is close to what he was intending to do after the hook pulled everyone in but unfortunately he didn't make it that far.
    Probably.

    Problem is the multiverse hypothesis just kicks the philosophical can down the road [the origin of the multiverse is contingent on what?] and it has the annoying side effect of having to believe in something that exists outside of the observable universe.

    Which puts one right back at blind faith.
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