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Thread: I Never Saw Taxes Make A Rich Man Poor - Vaporizing The Arguments Of The Greedy Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Kacper,



    Any reason for moving given?

    Generally, it is no secret in history, when capitalism depletes the usefulness of a region, then capitalism leaves. People in search of better opportunities also leave. Governments in dwindling population areas face a challenge balancing the budget with diminished revenue. Cutting taxes doesn't usually help that.
    Electors are based on population. For Texas to be picking up electors and rust belts to be losing electors since 2010 would mean Texas has picked up a few million people that the rustbelt has lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    FACTS kick ass


    they are my power
    And being nasty is your weakness.

    You could be so much more effective working the nice thing.
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    Hello Kacper,

    Hello Kacper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Electors are based on population. For Texas to be picking up electors and rust belts to be losing electors since 2010 would mean Texas has picked up a few million people that the rustbelt has lost.
    Yes, but it is a complete and unfounded assumption that the reason for moving is taxes.

    Causality has not been shown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And being nasty is your weakness.

    You could be so much more effective working the nice thing.
    tried it

    it failed horribly

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    Politalker,


    what you fail to understand is the mass of the population speaks in a course way


    they use invective

    watch a popular cable show and you will see what I mean.

    all theb political comedy shows that get good ratings speak just like my posts


    You can pretend you can reach people with church speak


    but that doesn't make it real



    if you want to reach a population you have to speak like that population.



    I am a part of that population and have always played with invective as a language tool for fun



    lenny bruce



    Richard pryor


    george carlin



    those comedians all used invective to an art and effected the political sphere far more than most preachers


    speak to the people in the language they speak


    or only reach a few


    invective is funny


    maybe not to you


    but to the vast majority of Americans it is funny



    a plus is creative invective confuses the Russian bots


    it is NOT designed to offend you

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    Hello evince,

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    tried it

    it failed horribly
    If at first you don't succeed then try, try again.

    Don't go low. That's not how the saying goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Politalker,


    what you fail to understand is the mass of the population speaks in a course way


    they use invective

    watch a popular cable show and you will see what I mean.

    all theb political comedy shows that get good ratings speak just like my posts


    You can pretend you can reach people with church speak


    but that doesn't make it real



    if you want to reach a population you have to speak like that population.



    I am a part of that population and have always played with invective as a language tool for fun



    lenny bruce



    Richard pryor


    george carlin



    those comedians all used invective to an art and effected the political sphere far more than most preachers


    speak to the people in the language they speak


    or only reach a few


    invective is funny


    maybe not to you


    but to the vast majority of Americans it is funny



    a plus is creative invective confuses the Russian bots


    it is NOT designed to offend you
    No, it's not funny the way it is being used here.

    And if what you are saying is true then MLK would have gotten nowhere.

    I understand things on the street have gone downhill since then. But I assure you, professionals do not do this. There are places, settings where this is not done, not acceptable. And I tell you one thing. A heck of a lot more gets done in those settings than is ever accomplished here.

    It is up to each one of us to choose if this is the way you want to be or not. Obviously, since it is allowed in this place, then this is where that mindset congregates. Politics is not discussed like this in professional settings. You won't hear much of it in a court room. If you call up your Congressional Representative and start talking like that they will hang up on you. Call in to an on-air show and you will be cut off for talking like that.

    Don't even think for a minute that street slang is the norm in America. The way it is here at JPP? That does not represent America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And the other one is:

    "People will move from high tax States to low tax States."

    Total baloney.

    Here's how that goes. The couple is filthy rich because he has always been obsessed with money. They've got it made. They already have way more than most. They are in the top 1%. Democrats in the State raise taxes because the government needs it. It doesn't hurt them. They still live in the lap of luxury, have all they need and plenty more, even with higher taxes. They have far more than they ever need or could ever spend on their lifestyle.

    He says: "We need to move to nowhere-ville because they have lower taxes."

    She says: "Go ahead. Buy a home there and move. I am staying here, near the grandchildren."

    End of argument.
    Staying in states with jobs and you can make a living.The states with the highest min. wages are all the most successful. You ned jobs and a market to succeed. taxes are no big deal.

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    I would read this thread and reply to it, but it has a coward's list of folks the poster is scared of, so the poster shields himself with a gang of parrots. Typical of the snobbish leftist cowards.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Hello Robo,

    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    I would read this thread and reply to it, but it has a coward's list of folks the poster is scared of, so the poster shields himself with a gang of parrots. Typical of the snobbish leftist cowards.
    Too funny.

    You just replied.

    Saying you're not going to reply, in a reply, is laughable.

    I am not afraid of anybody. Speak for yourself, gut puncher. You don't understand my reasoning for using that list. If I utilize the Ignore feature or the Thread Ban feature it is because I am availing myself of the options available to me in order to enhance my posting experience.

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    -I never saw taxes make a rich man poor. That's me saying that. I wrote that. Accept no substitutes. This is the genuine original thread by the person who wrote it.

    -People mostly use other priorities besides taxes when deciding where to live.

    -More Conservative Myths blown away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    And the other one is:

    "People will move from high tax States to low tax States."

    Total baloney.

    Here's how that goes. The couple is filthy rich because he has always been obsessed with money. They've got it made. They already have way more than most. They are in the top 1%. Democrats in the State raise taxes because the government needs it. It doesn't hurt them. They still live in the lap of luxury, have all they need and plenty more, even with higher taxes. They have far more than they ever need or could ever spend on their lifestyle.

    He says: "We need to move to nowhere-ville because they have lower taxes."

    She says: "Go ahead. Buy a home there and move. I am staying here, near the grandchildren."

    End of argument.
    Depends on your definition of rich. There have been many small business owners, who made good money, who have been forced to move because of taxes or regulations. Some have even gone out of business because they couldn't move. And let's be honest about this. Those taxes and regulations you jealous bastards want to slap on the rich prevent others from starting their own businesses. You want to sock it to the rich, hoping that some of it will come your way. It doesn't work that way. If you want money, go out and earn it. With some hard work, you might become what you hate. A rich person. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Depends on your definition of rich. There have been many small business owners, who made good money, who have been forced to move because of taxes or regulations. Some have even gone out of business because they couldn't move. And let's be honest about this. Those taxes and regulations you jealous bastards want to slap on the rich prevent others from starting their own businesses. You want to sock it to the rich, hoping that some of it will come your way. It doesn't work that way. If you want money, go out and earn it. With some hard work, you might become what you hate. A rich person. Lol
    they made a choice

    the trump tax cuts didn't benefit small businesses fool

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    Hello Grugore,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Depends on your definition of rich. There have been many small business owners, who made good money, who have been forced to move because of taxes or regulations. Some have even gone out of business because they couldn't move. And let's be honest about this. Those taxes and regulations you jealous bastards want to slap on the rich prevent others from starting their own businesses. You want to sock it to the rich, hoping that some of it will come your way. It doesn't work that way. If you want money, go out and earn it. With some hard work, you might become what you hate. A rich person. Lol
    Why would anybody want to become what they hate? Well, of course, nobody would. It makes no sense. Which means that your statement is based on a falsehood.

    Ya wanna know what really stands in the way of entrepreneurs? Health care. Many consider trying it on their own but if they give up working for a big corporation they give up their health care. So they never make that leap, never start a small business.

    Universal health care would foster more entrepreneurial start-ups, more local business, more secure small business jobs.
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    Hello Nordberg,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Staying in states with jobs and you can make a living.The states with the highest min. wages are all the most successful. You ned jobs and a market to succeed. taxes are no big deal.
    So true.

    It is only to be expected. But it is also a Conservative Myth that people move because of taxes. That is simply not the primary reason for most moves. Family, work, school and climate/topography are the primary reasons people move, or stay where they are.
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