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    Default A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

    Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

    Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

    For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

    Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

    The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneuli View Post
    Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so.
    yep, and there's a video recording of him doing exactly that at one of his reichstag rallies lol

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    lol......and you think the DNA test shows she's native American?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneuli View Post
    Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

    Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

    For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

    Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

    The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.
    That she even bothered to have the test shows that Donald occupies space in her head. It isn't a good sign. 6 to 10 generations isn't much considering most tribes require between 1/4 and one great great grandparent or closer. She is at least one generation short and possible 4 generations short.

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    nobody cares. she's always going to be Pocahontas

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    nobody cares. she's always going to be Pocahontas
    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...54#post2660654

    You Trump supporters cared a great deal....for two bloody years.

    Care to explain why suddenly in the last two hours suddenly "no one cares"?


    Do you think it would be appropriate for Trump and his fellow wingnuts to admit they had been wrong in slandering her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneuli View Post
    Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry.
    Her native American ancestry is no stronger than Ford's claim four people were at a party 35 years ago snowflake.

    But I do hope she runs with that moronic nonsense in 2020.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Address the topic, not other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...54#post2660654

    You Trump supporters cared a great deal....for two bloody years.

    Care to explain why suddenly in the last two hours suddenly "no one cares"?


    Do you think it would be appropriate for Trump and his fellow wingnuts to admit they had been wrong in slandering her?
    That wasn't "caring" you incoherent dullard.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...54#post2660654

    You Trump supporters cared a great deal....for two bloody years.

    Care to explain why suddenly in the last two hours suddenly "no one cares"?


    Do you think it would be appropriate for Trump and his fellow wingnuts to admit they had been wrong in slandering her?
    politically none cares. I personally think she is LW loon of the utmost proportion
    but I was addressing a political reality in that she is forever Pocahontas -whatever her DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    politically none cares.
    apparently ideologues like you do, thus this post

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    politically none cares. I personally think she is LW loon of the utmost proportion
    but I was addressing a political reality in that she is forever Pocahontas -whatever her DNA
    Trust me, I get why Republicans would "suddenly" say no one cares.

    I am also fully cognizant that when wingnuts get busted red handed for slander and libel, they will just double down on it rather than express the slightest contrition.

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    ...she had a Native American ancestor in her family dating back six to 10 generations.



    Translation from MSM speak. If you go back 300 years (30 years per generation x 10 generations) you can find evidence of American Indian ancestry. That same level of proof would likely be found in about 90% of the planet’s inhabitants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    apparently ideologues like you do, thus this post
    oo. your new idiocy. you don't understand politics either

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    oo. your new idiocy. you don't understand politics either
    why is Trump lying by denying he made the bet?

    wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Trust me, I get why Republicans would "suddenly" say no one cares.

    I am also fully cognizant that when wingnuts get busted red handed for slander and libel, they will just double down on it rather than express the slightest contrition.
    there is no "slander and libel" in politics. He dubbed her a nickname -that isn't "slander or libel"

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