Fact -When the Civil War started, Lincoln asked Robert E Lee to lead all Union troops

[SouthernUnkleRitchie]

"Trader"? Are you making a joke or just stupid?

Lee traded the usa for the confederacy.

[Mason Michaels]

Doesn't change the fact that Lincoln did first ask Lee to lead the Union Army and if you have to hate on Lee then great, but the man wasn't anywhere near as evil as some people try to make him out to be.

Treason isn't,jay walking

[Lightbringer]

Treason isn't,jay walking

I know. All I'm saying is the decision as to how to proceed after the war was made at the time, long before you and I were born. I think trying to rewrite history long after the fact just because some people are uncomfortable with the reality is a very bad idea. Whether anyone likes it or not Robert E. Lee was an important figure in American history.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Sorry but that just wrong, in fact several Northern states discussed seceding in 1812. It wasn't until the war was over that the Union decided that secession was not allowed. In fact, with true irony, the Northern states kicked the secession states out and then insisted they petition for reentry.

The idea of a perpetual union has a long history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Union

Yes other factions in the US had at times tried to secede, but that hardly justifies it. In practice states almost never allow unilateral independence by a federal unit. Stop listening to lost cause propaganda that you probably picked up with all your white nationalist youtubing you old fart.

Also, yes, in the initial aftermath of the war the union did put conditions on "reentry", but in 1869 in Texas v. White the supreme court declare that Texas had always legally been a part of the union and that any declarations to the contrary were illegal and not in effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

And that's been the law of the land ever since. The constitution forbids withdrawal from the union, in order to withdraw you would need a constitutional amendment.

[Mason Michaels]

I know. All I'm saying is the decision as to how to proceed after the war was made at the time, long before you and I were born. I think trying to rewrite history long after the fact just because some people are uncomfortable with the reality is a very bad idea. Whether anyone likes it or not Robert E. Lee was an important figure in American history.

Robert E Lee turned on his country,that was treason,then and it's still treason now.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The British abolished slavery throughout the empire in 1833, they would have ensured that the South would have done the same. The Brits also paid huge compensation to slave traders, if Lincoln had. Done the same then there would have been no war.

Are you retarded? Lincoln would've been glad to settle the issue on a compensated end of slavery. In practice he was willing to let them do much more, he offered to amend the constitution to protect slavery as long as the union would stay together. After the south declared independence out of pure stubborness and lost the war, obviously, the north was not at all in a forgiving mood and there was no chance that they'd give the plantation owners compensation.

It was the south who was stubborn, refused a compensated end of slavery, a continuation of slavery, or anything.

[SouthernUnkleRitchie]

I know. All I'm saying is the decision as to how to proceed after the war was made at the time, long before you and I were born. I think trying to rewrite history long after the fact just because some people are uncomfortable with the reality is a very bad idea. Whether anyone likes it or not Robert E. Lee was an important figure in American history.

Only to the traitors.

[Text Drivers are Killers]

[B]The Civil War most assuredly was about slavery.

So why did Lincoln ask slave owner Lee to lead the Union troops.?? THINK, white-hating racist.

[SouthernUnkleRitchie]

The idea of a perpetual union has a long history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Union

Yes other factions in the US had at times tried to secede, but that hardly justifies it. In practice states almost never allow unilateral independence by a federal unit. Stop listening to lost cause propaganda that you probably picked up with all your white nationalist youtubing you old fart.

Also, yes, in the initial aftermath of the war the union did put conditions on "reentry", but in 1869 in Texas v. White the supreme court declare that Texas had always legally been a part of the union and that any declarations to the contrary were illegal and not in effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

And that's been the law of the land ever since. The constitution forbids withdrawal from the union, in order to withdraw you would need a constitutional amendment.

"congress shall have the power to quell insurrections" from conus.

[SouthernUnkleRitchie]

Are you retarded? Lincoln would've been glad to settle the issue on a compensated end of slavery. In practice he was willing to let them do much more, he offered to amend the constitution to protect slavery as long as the union would stay together. After the south declared independence out of pure stubborness and lost the war, obviously, the north was not at all in a forgiving mood and there was no chance that they'd give the plantation owners compensation.

It was the south who was stubborn, refused a compensated end of slavery, a continuation of slavery, or anything.

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[Text Drivers are Killers]

southern states thinking the confederacy was a good idea was a non starter from the git go.

The South could have and should have won the war. Lee was a poor general. Too offensive-minded.

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Furthermore, Lincoln did not at the time have the constitutional authority to force those four states to abolish slavery.

HAHAHA. Lincoln also didn't have authority to throw thousands of northern war critics in jail or to shut down hundreds of northern newspapers that opposed the war. But he did both. Booth go one thing right - lincoln was a tyrant. THINK

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The British abolished slavery throughout the empire in 1833, they would have ensured that the South would have done the same. The Brits also paid huge compensation to slave traders, if Lincoln had. Done the same then there would have been no war.

Are you retarded? Lincoln would've been glad to settle the issue on a compensated end of slavery. In practice he was willing to let them do much more, he offered to amend the constitution to protect slavery as long as the union would stay together. After the south declared independence out of pure stubborness and lost the war, obviously, the north was not at all in a forgiving mood and there was no chance that they'd give the plantation owners compensation.

It was the south who was stubborn, refused a compensated end of slavery, a continuation of slavery, or anything.

[Lightbringer]

Robert E Lee turned on his country,that was treason,then and it's still treason now.

And he was granted amnesty.

Funny thing about Lee, he didn't want Confederate memorials built. I wonder what he would have thought about all of the fuss over him today.

[cancel2 2022]

The idea of a perpetual union has a long history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Union

Yes other factions in the US had at times tried to secede, but that hardly justifies it. In practice states almost never allow unilateral independence by a federal unit. Stop listening to lost cause propaganda that you probably picked up with all your white nationalist youtubing you old fart.

Also, yes, in the initial aftermath of the war the union did put conditions on "reentry", but in 1869 in Texas v. White the supreme court declare that Texas had always legally been a part of the union and that any declarations to the contrary were illegal and not in effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

And that's been the law of the land ever since. The constitution forbids withdrawal from the union, in order to withdraw you would need a constitutional amendment.

Yes, and that was not the case before the war, so kindly stop putting the cart before the horse!!