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Thread: Fact -When the Civil War started, Lincoln asked Robert E Lee to lead all Union troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    The Brits had the South by the short and curlies, the price demanded by them would have been industrialisation but an end to slavery. I am sure that they would have loved to build cotton mills in the South and then ship the finished product to the colonies and back to the UK. the same
    IF the British had offered to pay to modernize and IF they paid through the ass for all of the slaves in the South and IF they also paid to move those former slaves somewhere very far away then MAYBE some Southerners would have considered taking the deal.

    OTOH if all of that had happened the North would have had a serious case of the ass, way more than they had in reality, and the French would have gone nut shit on the British too.

    Slavery wasn't just about the money, it was a social thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Yes he is. The civil war was about slavery.
    I'm not saying there isn't a conversation to be had here I just don't want to have it with you because you're about as smart as toe jam. Thanks for your input though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    I'm not saying there isn't a conversation to be had here I just don't want to have it with you because you're about as smart as toe jam. Thanks for your input though.
    Typical dumb righty. That is the extent of your comprehension. Trump made up an absurd conversation that was laughably nutty. Trump matches you in understanding. That means near zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    The Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama, which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time. There were many that wanted to join the war on the Confederate side, it that happened then I doubt that the Union side would have lasted very long.

    Go do your homework and this time try and get the facts correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    And he was granted amnesty.

    Funny thing about Lee, he didn't want Confederate memorials built. I wonder what he would have thought about all of the fuss over him today.
    He should have been made an example of to the rest of the traitors.Hanged by the neck till dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbsupkid View Post
    He was a drunkard.
    That was Grant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    They didn't trust the North and I can't really blame them. They were stiffed for taxes to pay for Northern industrialisation and didn't believe their promises. The South should have joined forces with the Brits, used their expertise to industrialise and then freed the slaves.

    I wonder how many people know that Karl Marx was an avid supporter of the Union, no doubt seeing an opportunity for revolution.
    The Brits weren't going to join up with treasonous slave owners
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    The Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama, which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time. There were many that wanted to join the war on the Confederate side, it that happened then I doubt that the Union side would have lasted very long.
    You know nothing about the period
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    This is what daffy said. It was embarrassing as hell. How dumb is he? This is our president? good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne and Margot View Post
    The Brits weren't going to join up with treasonous slave owners
    You know nothing about the period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    I am already aware of your take on the Civil War, I can't even remember how many times we've talked about it. The confederates were not Nazis or Soviets. Now, if you want to tear down statues then great...maybe you should start in Seattle with the statue of Lenin. You're familiar with his work, right? Take care of that first and once that's done then focus on Lee.
    They were just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne and Margot View Post
    That was Grant!
    I know but so was lee. in fact they all were during that era. morphine was chic too. It was called the "civil war disease"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    They didn't trust the North and I can't really blame them. They were stiffed for taxes to pay for Northern industrialisation and didn't believe their promises. The South should have joined forces with the Brits, used their expertise to industrialise and then freed the slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    This is what daffy said. It was embarrassing as hell. How dumb is he? This is our president? good grief.
    Trump never read a history book in his life except for mein kamp.
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    Certain elements in the English boss-class were for the Confederacy, but the Lancashire workers stopped them, at great cost to themselves. Lee was a decent man for a slaveowner, which is not saying much.

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