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    Default A journalist's disappearance endangers the anti-Iran alliance

    The Saudis deny everything. As for President Trump, he, like the rest of us, is looking for answers.

    This is more than an episode from a Robert Ludlum thriller. One missing man has the potential to affect the U.S.-Saudi alliance and Turkish-Saudi alliance, as well as the overall configuration of power in the Middle East, global energy prices, and Israeli security. For if the Turks are right, the Saudis would have committed a brazen, reckless, terrible act. They ought to pay a price.

    How high? A bipartisan group of senators wants the president to sanction Saudis complicit in the disappearance and possible murder of Khashoggi. Rand Paul would go further: He wants to force a vote on ending arms sales and military assistance to Saudi Arabia. "The Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) is entirely dependent on American and British support for its air fleet of F-15 fighter jets, Apache helicopters, and Tornado aircraft," writes Bruce Reidel of the Brookings Institution. "If either Washington or London halts the flow of logistics, the RSAF would be grounded."

    That is the sort of outcome Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders would like. They too are critics of the regime, especially its intervention in Yemen against the Houthi rebels backed by Iran. Typically an outlier, Paul is for once at the center of an emerging coalition that encompasses liberal internationalists, progressives, paleoconservatives, and neoconservatives. "If the crown prince's government does not immediately explain what happened to Mr. Khashoggi, and punish those responsible, it must be punished with sanctions—by Congress, if Mr. Trump cannot bring himself to act," says an editorial in the Post, not normally inclined to Paulist views.

    The passions inflamed by the potential state-sanctioned murder of a famous journalist who was a friend to many in the worlds of diplomacy and media do not subside easily. Before taking action, congressmen and administration officials ought to think seriously and dispassionately about the potential fallout of the course advocated by Senator Paul. It would not benefit anyone, least of all the United States, if Iran ends up gaining most from the Khashoggi affair.

    Because Iran, while not mentioned in relation to Khashoggi, is nonetheless a factor in this story. It is pressing against the Saudis on multiple fronts. It has fostered Shia rebellion within the kingdom itself and in Bahrain. It has armed and abetted the Houthis. Its proxies are on the cusp of victory in Syria, effectively control Lebanon, and have sown chaos in Iraq. Iran's European allies are attempting to create a financial lifeline that would provide relief from U.S. sanctions.

    Saudi Arabia has been the linchpin of America's Middle East strategy for close to a century. That relationship has not been without costs. What would the cost be if the alliance fractured? The Saudis would be imperiled in Yemen, potentially endangering the free flow of traffic in the Gulf of Aden. Iranian victory there would extend a Shia crescent in the south to accompany the one running through Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.

    Governments without democratic legitimacy are brittle and unpredictable—a fact highlighted not only by Khashoggi but also by recent Saudi actions against Canada and the crown prince's delayed IPO of oil giant Aramco. America has sustained and protected the Saudis for decades. Withdrawing such protection would open the regime to both domestic and international challenges. As President Trump put it recently, Saudi Arabia wouldn't last two weeks without American support. The Middle East and Levant already are filled with examples of state failure. Is America prepared to risk another?

    A Saudi meltdown would deprive the United States of a counterterrorist ally, roil energy markets, create pockets of instability in which jihadists and Iranian-backed militias thrive, and cause headaches for Israel. To forestall such a disaster, the Saudis, like others before them, might turn to either Russia or China for support. That would accelerate the waning of American influence in the Middle East. It would boost the very autocracies we condemn.

    Punish the Saudis if it turns out they acted no better than Russia, China, North Korea, Syria, and Iran. And as you weigh the evidence and consider the form of reprimand, keep in mind the following: the penalty must fit the crime; neither democracy nor peace is likely to follow the end of the House of Saud; and the morality of cable news and the op-ed page counts for little in the ruthless, brutal, conspiratorial, and bloody Middle East.
    https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-khashoggi-affair/

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    'Disappearance'?

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    he taped his own death on a I watch


    there is NO doubt what this evil Saudi prince had done


    fuck Saudi Arabia


    get a real leader NOT KINGS

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    he taped his own death on a I watch
    there is NO doubt what this evil Saudi prince had done
    fuck Saudi Arabia
    get a real leader NOT KINGS
    ROFL..maybe you should ask for an Ayatollah. idiot

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    Many questions. Maybe time to label Saudi Arabia 'Axis of Evil'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Many questions. Maybe time to label Saudi Arabia 'Axis of Evil'?
    No way, we support their genocide in Yemen, even with internationally illegal cluster bombs know to have a 90% collateral casualty rate in the field, and they support our global war economy. These are good radical Islamists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Many questions. Maybe time to label Saudi Arabia 'Axis of Evil'?
    The Saudis are our friends. They provide oil for our cars.

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    Trump is "looking for answers?" Really?

    "'I love the Saudis': Trump business ties to kingdom run deep"
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ngdom-run-deep

    Trump is looking for a way out, and "endangering an anti-Iran alliance" is just a deflection, given one nation is Sunni and the other Shitte, they are always going to be at each other's throat

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Trump is "looking for answers?" Really?

    "'I love the Saudis': Trump business ties to kingdom run deep"
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ngdom-run-deep

    Trump is looking for a way out, and "endangering an anti-Iran alliance" is just a deflection, given one nation is Sunni and the other Shitte, they are always going to be at each other's throat
    he said right there


    he likes the Saudis because they give him LOTS OF MONEY


    he wont do anything because he makes money from them

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    If the United States and Iran could just get past our history of Americans overthrowing their democratically elected leaders, and the Iranians storming our embassy, I think they would make better allies than Saudi Arabia.

    The Shia muslim community generally does not harbor international terrorists that threaten the United States in the way some of the Sunni states do.

    Saudi Arabia is one of the most authoritarian and brutal regimes on earth, and should be antithetical to American values. There seems to be substantial evidence that elements of the Saudi government were involved in the 9/11 attack.

    Iran - by the standards of the Persian gulf - are nominally more progressive than the Sunni Arabs, they have something that at least approximates democratic institutions, and I think the Persian people generally would welcome good relations with the United States - if we genuinely worked at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If the United States and Iran could just get past our history of Americans overthrowing their democratically elected leaders, and the Iranians storming our embassy, I think they would make better allies than Saudi Arabia.

    The Shia muslim community generally does not harbor international terrorists that threaten the United States in the way some of the Sunni states do.

    Saudi Arabia is one of the most authoritarian and brutal regimes on earth, and should be antithetical to American values. There seems to be substantial evidence that elements of the Saudi government were involved in the 9/11 attack.

    Iran - by the standards of the Persian gulf - are nominally more progressive than the Sunni Arabs, they have something that at least approximates democratic institutions, and I think the Persian people generally would welcome good relations with the United States - if we genuinely worked at it.

    The US isn't interested in getting past anything in Iran other than another regime change/government take down of Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    The US isn't interested in getting past anything in Iran other than another regime change/government take down of Iran.
    Hope they get it right this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Hope they get it right this time.
    They got it as right as it goes last time, that's why we're still there.

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    Pastor Brunson's release angers democrats. Democrats are now think-tanking how to blame Trump for Turkey Journalist's death. Like clock work.

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