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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    It doesn't trap heat. CO2 slows the escape of infrared radiation by absorbing and re-radiating it.
    It is not possible to slow heat or trap heat. Heat has no speed. You cannot heat the warmer surface using a colder gas.You are denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You might as well try to make hot coffee with an ice cube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We should begin to eliminate rebuilding by the water. Make it illegal to rebuild if over half the house is destroyed. Just buy 'em out and make it all parks. Also, offer any owner who wants a buy-out cash to leave. Then demolish that house. Prohibit sales or ownership xfr of vulnerable homes. Just let 'em live there as long as they like and then buy that one out too. We would all save a lot of money in the end. And all waterfronts would become parks.
    People can build ON the water if they wish. You are not dictator of the world or of the United States. It's their own lookout (and their own insurance premiums).

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Plus a good deal of those insurance policies are subsidized by the Federal Gov't
    No, they aren't. FEMA does not subsidize any insurance policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    My wishes for the climate debate, in no particular order:
    1) I wish it wasn't so ideological/left vs. right
    2) I wish it didn't center around AGW

    There is ample evidence that man has affected the environment in an adverse way, and there are good arguments to made that our abuse of our environment and lack of long-term planning has pushed us closer to a tipping point.
    There is no 'tipping point'. You are describing an unstable system. It would've already tripped long ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    It's practically indisputable that our current approach is unsustainable. We don't plan that far ahead, we use finite resources with abandon, we pollute our water and air and pretend that token measures keep things in check, etc., etc., etc.
    Both oil and natural gas are renewable energy. So is hydroelectric. Since you are making such a vague argument here, what resources are you concerned with?
    Air pollution has largely been corrected by private industry. It is they that invented the EGR system in cars, and the FADEC engines we use today. I build instrumentation for a living. That instrumentation goes in to many industries, but sewer plants are among them. I am personally responsible for cleaning up Puget Sound. It sticks in my craw when people like you claim the water is 'polluted'. You can't even define what 'pollution' IS!
    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    And it's how we're built. We won't do anything about anything, for any issue, until it's a crisis.
    Didn't need a crisis for me to clean up Puget Sound or any the other waterways my systems have affected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Your spitting into the wind, the Flat Earthers are never ever going to recognize man made climate change.
    Non-sequitur fallacy. Believers in a flat Earth are not the same people that want no part of the Church of Global Warming.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    They have been so played by their demogogues, who are supported by those interests who would lose economically and political by measures to address climate change,
    Define 'climate change'. Do not use circular definitions. This is just a meaningless buzzword.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    that they will always ignore any proof of any kind.
    There is no proof. 'Climate change' is a meaningless buzzword. Science has no theories based on buzzwords. Using them forms a void argument.
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    I am old enough to remember the same scenario and denials when the Gov't began to address the obvious dangers of cigarette smoking
    And just what do you think are the dangers of cigarette smoking (other than the odor and additional fire hazard)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Is your memory that poor? It's been linked 10000000 times.
    Argument from randU fallacy. Making up numbers is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...tarctic-waters


    For the first time, scientists prove human activity is the top cause of warming Antarctic waters
    By Kelsey Litwin in News, Energy, Politics | September 25th 2018



    not at all
    Based entirely on simulations.
    Where have we seen this before ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    For the first time, scientists prove human activity is the top cause of warming Antarctic waters
    By Kelsey Litwin in News, Energy, Politics | September 25th 2018


    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...tarctic-waters


    its now proven fact


    why do you cling to lies?
    Based entirely on simulations.
    Where have we seen this before ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Based entirely on simulations.
    Where have we seen this before ?
    y'all shouldn't have fired on Ft Sumter, bad call

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    y'all shouldn't have fired on Ft Sumter, bad call
    When you cant answer, tangent....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Inversion fallacy. The Church of Global Warming (and you) deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. It is YOU that denies science.
    Debunked already.

    Creationist, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I trust that scientists know science better than I do.

    They don't have any reason to make this up.

    We have to take this seriously.
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    Attachment 7903

    It is a logical fallacy to use appeal to authority as an argument

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    Hello Adolf,

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf_Twitler View Post
    Basically, I am just sounding off, and being sarcastic, and I'm sure I sound very self-centered about it, but damn, we just got hit by two historic record breaking Hurricanes in about a months time, and let's face it, the future looks like hurricanes are going to be more plentiful and ever-stronger every year moving forward.

    You're ideas are good, but, perhaps, a simpler solution might just be to keep Insurance companies that deal in Hurricane damage, completely separate from the Insurance for everybody else. That when their premiums need to go up, for whatever reason, it doesn't require everyone's else to go up just to keep them in the black ink and profitable!

    Perhaps if their insurance was higher to begin with, as it probably should be, they would reconsider living there in the first place. The only reason why their insurance is not higher already, is because everyone else insurance is higher than it should be just to average it all out for them to be able to afford theirs.

    So, basically we are already baked into their cake- and they are the one's having the cake and eating it too!

    Sorry, but I think we need a long-term plan here! Because it's only going to get worse!
    I disagree. Who is to say which region is most vulnerable? Tornadoes, earthquakes, wildfires, floods, environmental disasters, etc. It's not like there is just one threat. Pooling insurance together is what makes it more affordable for everybody. Much Florida is insured by a non-profit socialist State-run insurance company called Citizen's Insurance. Republicans hate it and keep trying to kill it, but so many for-profit insurance companies pulled out of Florida it caused a huge problem which nearly shut down the real estate industry and threatened millions with foreclosure because they couldn't get insurance. And guess what? The rates with Citizens are far lower than for-profit rates. Even with all the hurricanes. Go figure. Remember, storm surge only accounts for a fraction of losses. Most losses are due to wind damage, and can extend hundreds of miles inland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
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    just denyng science wont work anymore comrade
    Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is denying science. You also deny mathematics. Specifically, you deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    we all know the only asset Putin has is OIL
    He has others as well. He has a lot of natural gas, LOTS of real estate (even though most of it is frozen!), and a functioning space program (we don't).
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    hes just going to have to accept hes fucked
    Why? He just made a huge sale of his resources to Germany (despite that is went against EU rules).
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    sorry putins little commrade
    'Putin' is a proper noun. It should be capitalized. I'll consider this a typo for now.

    I do not live in Russia. I do not condone the politics of Putin in any way. He has made some rather astute remarks from time to time, but I am no friend of Putin. Neither is Trump. The LAST thing Putin wants is a conservative President and Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    It is Now proven science as of September 2018
    its over
    There are no proofs in science.

    You are still denying mathematics. You are still denying science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not magazine articles.

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