CAPITAL PUNISHMENT

[Frank Apisa]

Not actually the case, Frank.
The protesters try to make it impossible for the currently used, non-humane drugs to be obtained.
Every vet and human hospital in the country has the humane drugs

I know they have them. They use them on me every six months. They are in plentiful supply.

That is not the problem.

Getting them into the hands of people performing executions IS the problem.

[Adolf_Twitler]

I say lock them up for life and blast Yoko Ono songs continuously into their cell without them being able to turn it down or off!

We totally overlooked this punishment and torturing technique when we waterboarded those people!

You gotta use stuff that really works! Lol!

[Lightbringer]

I say lock them up for life and blast Yoko Ono songs continuously into their cell without them being able to turn it down or off!

We totally overlooked this punishment and torturing technique when we waterboarded those people!

We did it in Panama. Noriega hated Van Halen.

[NiftyNiblick]

Again, Frank, nobody is TRYING to get those drugs into the hands of executioners.
Executioners don't use them, and right now, executioners are all we have.
We have no humane euthanasia technicians.

[Controlled Opposition]

If you've ever been through the ordeal and agony of having to have a beloved pet euthanized,
you realized that you suffered far more than the pet did.
First they apply anesthesia or a strong sedative .
Then the final injection is completely painless.

That is decidedly NOT how lethal injection executions are carried out.
But it could be if we were civilized enough.
Maybe the fire and brimstone, First Testament-loving Evangelicals could be executed first.
That would be great.
They're the ones who oppose making executions more humane.

Yes, I recently had one of my three cats euthanized. It was horrible, and I certainly don't believe that my cat was neutral about it. Of course, a cat does not have the consciousness of a human and doesn't fully realize what was happening. Not so with a human being.

What would be your method of execution for a human? Would it be drinking poison? Wouldn't that be demanding that someone commit suicide?

[Adolf_Twitler]

We did it in Panama. Noriega hated Van Halen.

Good one! LOL!

[Controlled Opposition]

I just do not understand that.

I have to have an endoscopy every six months because of an esophagus problem. They use propofol to sedate me...and I am unconscious within seconds of the anesthesiologist telling me that he/she is injecting me. It is instantaneous. I am out for almost a half hour.

And they could cut my nuts off with a chain saw while out...and I would not feel a thing.

The executions CAN be done without pain...but protestors make it impossible for proper drugs to be obtained.

Makes no sense to me.

You had a very reasonable expectation of surviving. You must know of executions by lethal injection which went horribly wrong.

Let's return to the topic at hand.

[Controlled Opposition]

I say lock them up for life and blast Yoko Ono songs continuously into their cell without them being able to turn it down or off!

We totally overlooked this punishment and torturing technique when we waterboarded those people!

You gotta use stuff that really works! Lol!

You, supporting torture? That's difficult for me to believe. But you are being facetious, aren't you?

[Adolf_Twitler]

I can see the look on Moses face when the burning bush was carving out the 10 commandments and it got down to the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" part!

I can see him saying "Fuck! What about abortions, Capitol Punishment, War and all that shit"?

[NiftyNiblick]

What would be your method of execution for a human? Would it be drinking poison? Wouldn't that be demanding that someone commit suicide?

No, CO, injection would still be the best way.
It's a matter of what you inject.

In lethal injection executions, no sedative or anesthetic is used.
The first injection paralyzes the nerves so you can't see the prisoner reacting to the second injection which stops respiration.
The prisoner dies of suffocation and feels the whole thing.

This is deliberate and defended by right wing religious maggots.

That's definite not how pets are euthanized.

[Controlled Opposition]

No, CO, injection would still be the best way.
It's a matter of what you inject.

In lethal injection executions, no sedative or anesthetic is used.
The first injection paralyzes the nerves so you can't see the prisoner reacting to the second injection which stops respiration.
The prisoner dies of suffocation and feels the whole thing.

This is deliberate and defended by right wing religious maggots.

That's definite not how pets are euthanized.

Lethal injection has been around for a long time. The person is strapped to a gurney. There is nothing humane about it and, it often does not go as planned. We already know this.

If I found myself on death row, I would choose the method from, "Final Exit." But that is voluntary.

[Frank Apisa]

You had a very reasonable expectation of surviving. You must know of executions by lethal injection which went horribly wrong.

Yeah...because it was not done by professionals with reasonable drugs.

I am saying we should allow professionals to do the job...and allow them to use drugs that will get it done with minimal pain.

And if done correctly by competent people...the expectations of the individual should have no impact on whether or not it is painless.

Let's return to the topic at hand.

I have not been off topic.

Asking me to "return to the topic"...IS OFF TOPIC.

[Adolf_Twitler]

If you are truly carrying out capitol punishment to fit the crime....

Take for instance, if someone locks someone up in the trunk of a car, pours gasoline on the car and burns the car- that is what should happen to the convicted killer!

Shit, murder rates would drop instantly!

[Frank Apisa]

Lethal injection has been around for a long time. The person is strapped to a gurney. There is nothing humane about it and, it often does not go as planned. We already know this.

If I found myself on death row, I would choose the method from, "Final Exit." But that is voluntary.

If done properly...a lethal injection CAN BE HUMANE.

The fact is, some people just do not want capital punishment...and would prefer to have people languish in prison for the entire of their lives.

I consider that infinitely MORE BARBARIC...and MUCH less humane.

I have no problem with you being barbaric and inhumane, CO...but some of us want to be above that.

[Mott the Hoople]

I appreciate your take, Mott. Over the years I've had reservations myself.

BUT...if the alternative is "life in prison without the possibility of parole"...I will choose execution every time.

In any case, while I respect and acknowledge your right to think this is not a power the government should have...

...I disagree.

The operative word here is "choose". It's not like those who receive the death penalty have a choice.
To be honest, don't get me wrong. The vast majority of those on death row or life in prison with no parole are not people I hold a lot of sympathy for. The vast majority of them earned their fate. Life in prison and the death penalty are both meant to be punishments and most persons with those sentences deserve them. A few don't and no one wants to see a miscarriage of justice and an innocent person sent to prison for life or executed.

Having said that I still don't want to give the government the right to take a human life.