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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Did you make this reply of your own free will?
    the ones he posts by compulsion are the irrelevant ones........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    the ones he posts by compulsion are the irrelevant ones........
    Those who deny God have no free will. They are slaves of the Devil and are compelled to do his bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Those who deny God have no free will. They are slaves of the Devil and are compelled to do his bidding.
    Huh? Isn’t it using your free will to make the choice? If God truly gave us free will to decide, why will he punish us for using our free will?

    I didnt give my children free will when it came to my rules. Their was no choice, they knew the rules, if they broke the rules there were consequences. I didn’t tell them, it’s your choice. I told them my rules and they complied or there was punishment. This idea we are free to choose and have free will given by the Biblical god is bogus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Huh? Isn’t it using your free will to make the choice? If God truly gave us free will to decide, why will he punish us for using our free will?

    I didnt give my children free will when it came to my rules. Their was no choice, they knew the rules, if they broke the rules there were consequences. I didn’t tell them, it’s your choice. I told them my rules and they complied or there was punishment. This idea we are free to choose and have free will given by the Biblical god is bogus.
    God also has rules. And there are consequences for breaking them. So you actually support my argument. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    God also has rules. And there are consequences for breaking them. So you actually support my argument. Thanks.
    No, I’ve shown you how free will is a bogus concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Can you believe that there are actually idiots who believe this? I can prove that they are wrong. If I take a sledgehammer and destroy their car, they will get mad at me. Think about that.
    When it comes to Free Will, I always defer to Neil Peart of Rush..

    "Free Will"
    Rush
    Music: Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson
    Lyrics: Neil Peart


    There are those who think that life
    Has nothing left to chance
    With a host of holy horrors
    To direct our aimless dance

    A planet of playthings
    We dance on the strings
    Of powers we cannot perceive
    “The stars aren’t aligned –
    Or the gods are malign”
    Blame is better to give than receive

    You can choose a ready guide
    In some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide
    You still have made a choice
    You can choose from phantom fears
    And kindness that can kill
    I will choose a path that’s clear
    I will choose free will.

    There are those who think that
    They were dealt a losing hand
    The cards were stacked against them
    They weren’t born in Lotus-Land.

    All pre-ordained
    A prisoner in chains
    A victim of venomous fate
    Kicked in the face
    You can’t pray for a place
    In Heaven’s unearthly estate

    Each of us
    A cell of awareness
    Imperfect and incomplete
    Genetic blends
    With uncertain ends
    On a fortune hunt
    That’s far too fleet…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Did you make this reply of your own free will?
    Who knows?
    He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death. Thomas Paine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Can you believe that there are actually idiots who believe this? I can prove that they are wrong. If I take a sledgehammer and destroy their car, they will get mad at me. Think about that.
    Nope, free will is not a myth.

    That is, unless you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god. Then, free will is a bullshit copout for the existence of evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Those who deny God have no free will. They are slaves of the Devil and are compelled to do his bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    no paradox......God is omiscient, we are not.......since we do not share his foreknowledge of our actions, we make our choices of our own volition.......
    ^Predictable theist copout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Can you believe that there are actually idiots who believe this? I can prove that they are wrong. If I take a sledgehammer and destroy their car, they will get mad at me. Think about that.
    Since a liberal man typically drives a Prius, you would be doing him a favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Huh? Isn’t it using your free will to make the choice? If God truly gave us free will to decide, why will he punish us for using our free will?

    I didnt give my children free will when it came to my rules. Their was no choice, they knew the rules, if they broke the rules there were consequences. I didn’t tell them, it’s your choice. I told them my rules and they complied or there was punishment. This idea we are free to choose and have free will given by the Biblical god is bogus.
    Because good choices have good consequences and negative choices have negative consequences; plus even you admitted this and explained why there are punishments.

    Did your children have free will to either follow your dictates or to not follow them??

    God has also told us his rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    No, I’ve shown you how free will is a bogus concept.
    No you didn't; because first you ask why God would punish you and then your said your children would get punished for exercising their free will, if they ignored your rules.
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Years of psychotherapy unraveling the twisted knot of personality MIGHT result in someone living by free will.
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    For the Religious Whacks, free will is sin.
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