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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Better review previous posts, pally boy.

    So, go ahead. Tell us, in your own words, why non-belief is bad.
    It has been explained over and over, in this threads and others, and you refusing to understand will not be helped by explaining it yet again.

    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    It has been explained over and over, in this threads and others, and you refusing to understand will not be helped by explaining it yet again.
    In your own words, pally. No Bible quote.

    Why is non-belief bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    It has been explained over and over, in this threads and others, and you refusing to understand will not be helped by explaining it yet again.
    to hell with him......../grins........

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    In your own words, pally. No Bible quote.

    Why is non-belief bad?
    To what end?? ;dunno:

    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    to hell with him......../grins........



    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    Every action we take is just a result of cause and effect.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...e-will/480750/

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Every action we take is just a result of cause and effect.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...e-will/480750/
    But we all have the FREE WILL to choose what action we will take.

    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    stone is more concerned with affect than effect......

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    But we all have the FREE WILL to choose what action we will take.
    You obviously didn't/can't read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    You obviously didn't/can't read the article.
    So you are suggesting that I DO have FREE WILL.

    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    So you are suggesting that I DO have FREE WILL.
    Get someone to read the article to you, and you'll see why you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Get someone to read the article to you, and you'll see why you don't.
    Which doesn't refute that I had FREE WILL to read it or not.
    (not saying if I did or didn't )

    Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss, whereas they stand to receive infinite gains and avoid infinite losses.

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    Free will, is a debate philosophers and others have been pondering forever. Consider how can I be morally responsible when I didn't choose anything in my life. My parents are a given, the egg and the gamete, one of a hundred million that made me wasn't my choice, my genetic makeup was not my choice, neither was my home environment, birth place, birth position, or even historic period. We are accidents in the sense that nothing about the fundamental us was our choice, and today all of our so called 'free' choices are dependent on who we already are. Did I choose who I am given all the givens? That is being human. Freedom like complete consciousness are necessary human assumptions. Why am I the way I am? Why are you? Consider extremes, there are madness claims in court or incompetent to understand claims. We acknowledge these examples but we fear to tread too deep into determinism. This is why boundaries are required, values and rights and wrongs are needed for human society to prevail. Today with DNA and other studies of tribal humans and our primate friends, the issue becomes even more complex. Consider too millions of years of evolution and thousands of years of cultural evolution. See pieces below and book linked at bottom.





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    'Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain' by David Eagleman

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9827912-incognito



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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Which doesn't refute that I had FREE WILL to read it or not.
    (not saying if I did or didn't )
    Your god already knew what your decision would be, didn’t he?

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    As I understand it, by the time we get around to consciously deciding to do anything, our muscles have already been working at it for measurable time. We more or less have to believe we have free will, I suppose, at this stage in our development. Be a merciful thing to convince ourselves otherwise, though, as we move on to self-destruction!

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