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    Default Voting machines in PA are breaking down

    In african American communities.

    Here we go.

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4177755

    . Bernard Bibbs/Judge of Elections: "We set them up the way they're supposed to be run electronically. They've been shut down all morning.... We're dead." Similar problems have popped up across the city. Machines by the score have failed to operate. In most places, at least one machine is functioning. In those places where all the machines are down, voters can request a paper ballot. Edward Schulgen/Deputy City Commissioner: "Give that voter a paper ballot, which is then sent to us after the election. We verify whether or not that person is registered in the right division. If that's correct, then we count that vote." The number of failures seems to be evenly distributed across the city. It's more voting machine failures than the city has ever had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    In african American communities.

    Here we go.
    Again, Desh.

    Why would they buy machines for their counties that suck? Why would those people elect County Clerks that would do that to them?

    If our County Clerk did this she would lose her job, very quickly. She might even be recalled.
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    I am not sure if it is relevant or not but the date on the article is May 16, 2006. Is it happening today while they are voting? Is that what you have heard?

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    Oh, OK, so it is on the TV. That's bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    The Obama campaign is starting to complain that its in African American communities from what the TV says
    The Obama campaign is setting up their excuse for their loss.

    It isn't like the Hillary Campaign went out and got the machines for those counties and make sure they would be broken for this date. This is a County Clerk thing, they choose the machines, they set them up, they train the people who run them. The County Clerk is elected by the same people using those machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    I am not sure if it is relevant or not but the date on the article is May 16, 2006. Is it happening today while they are voting? Is that what you have heard?
    Sorry I just heard it on the news and I googled the phrase and forgot to check the date.

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    'Tis OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    'Tis OK.
    Invalid response. The correct response would have been...

    Liar Liar pants on fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    The Obama campaign is setting up their excuse for their loss.

    It isn't like the Hillary Campaign went out and got the machines for those counties and make sure they would be broken for this date. This is a County Clerk thing, they choose the machines, they set them up, they train the people who run them. The County Clerk is elected by the same people using those machines.

    Damo - Just for the record, since you do this every time there is a post about voting machines breaking down, it is not the case that every state runs elections like your state. In other states, the Secretary of State, not the county clerks, control the purse strings with respect to voting equipment. The local clerks run the show, but don't control the acquisition of voting equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desh View Post
    In african American communities.

    Here we go.
    Trust me .. there is nobody in America that knows more about paperless faith-based electronic voting than I do. I've spent years investigating it and I've often been called as an expert witness, including in several documentaries on the issue.

    I say that only to declare that I know what I'm talking about on electronic voting.

    However, the expert that may be better able to explain electronic voting in America is perhaps a psychologist or other mental disorder specialist. It is sheer lunacy to allow the act of voting in America to be TOTALLY controlled by private corporations that are owned and operated by republicans ONLY THEY count the vote in America and no elected official, including the POTUS has the right to look at how they copunt the vote.

    ONLY really stupid people would believe that there is nothing wrong with that even in the face of the fact that paperless electronic voting is a fraud.

    Venezuela has a better electronic voting system with far more integrity than Americans vote on.

    The system Americans vote on couldn't stand international monitoring .. that we insist countries we don't like must have. The truth is that America needs international monitoring every bit as much as Zimbabwe does.

    It is proof positive that Americans have no intellectual stature to look down our noses at anyone.

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    So it appears to be happening now, as it did in May 2006 also.

    Sounds like the machines break down in significant numbers every election. And officials apparently can't fix them, even with years between elections. I don't recall hearing of breakdowns of paper-ballot voting procedures.

    Tell me again why these new electronic voting machines (which the Dems insisted on after they tried to blame their 2000 Presidential loss on faulty vote counts instead of the real reason, not enough people wanted to elect them) have "improved" our electoral process? And why we keep sticking to them?
    The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than the system we're using now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Again, Desh.

    Why would they buy machines for their counties that suck? Why would those people elect County Clerks that would do that to them?

    If our County Clerk did this she would lose her job, very quickly. She might even be recalled.
    If you'd like the history that answers your question I'll be glad to give it to you .. and demonstrate how elected officials responsible for the integrity of voting machines, like Secretary of State, have not only NOT lost their jobs, but gone on to run for higher office .. like Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio and Cathy Cox in Georgia. Both Ohio and Georgia had massive problems with with electronic voting.

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