Tweeking the CFP

[anonymoose]

As my boy said yesterday, if a team loses twice in the regular season they are out of the picture as far as the NC is concerned ... unless they are from the SEC. .

I can't think of any two loss team from any conf. getting in to the CFP ever. What team are you referring to?

[WinterBorn]

In other words, despite having claimed it's more than just the team's record that matters, it's the only thing you mention on a regular basis.

Winning games is the goal of every team.

[CFM]

Winning games is the goal of every team.

Despite your claims the playoffs involve picking teams using several factors, when it's pointed out that Alabama wasn't successful in some of them, you revert back to the win/loss record. If that's the case, why didn't UCF make the playoffs over Alabama or any of the other 3. They were undefeated, won their conference, AND beat a team to which Alabama lost.

[WinterBorn]

Despite your claims the playoffs involve picking teams using several factors, when it's pointed out that Alabama wasn't successful in some of them, you revert back to the win/loss record. If that's the case, why didn't UCF make the playoffs over Alabama or any of the other 3. They were undefeated, won their conference, AND beat a team to which Alabama lost.

The fact that UCF was not in the playoff had nothing to do with whether or not they beat the only team to beat Alabama.

[leaningright]

I can't think of any two loss team from any conf. getting in to the CFP ever. What team are you referring to?

Being facetious, my friend. Pointing out the obvious SEC bias that exists in the college football world. If there ever is a two loss team in the playoff it will be an SEC team. That you can bank on.

[Lightbringer]

Being facetious, my friend. Pointing out the obvious SEC bias that exists in the college football world. If there ever is a two loss team in the playoff it will be an SEC team. That you can bank on.

I can see a 2 loss Notre Dame or a 2 loss Michigan team getting in. It is all about the money and those schools have some money.

[Lightbringer]

I was reading some ideas on tweeking the CFP to make it better with out expanding it. The one I liked the best was based on a point system.

Before I explain it let’s go over what we’d want to accomplish.

Have a true national championship. Originally the CFP was intended to give conference championships heavy weight when selecting teams. It only took two years for a rogue committee to undermine that intention and send us back to National Championship by proxy.

Determine playoff teams on the field and not the committee room.

Eliminate subjective polls in the selection process.

Maintain the most meaningful regular season in team sports.

Make non-conference games meaningful to eliminate scheduling disparities.

Place more weight on division and conference championships.


The point system would be fairly simple. Each team wins a point for each victory during the regular season. For each victory against a top 5 conference team an additional point is awarded.

In addition a division champion is awarded 3 additional points and a conference champion is awarded 5 additional points.

This system would punish teams that schedule four weak mid majors as non-conference games and punishes teams that don’t play a conference championship game, as they should be, for playing one less game.

The question of a tie breaker comes up but some objective criteria can be used for that.

The only reason we have this is because the Bowl Season makes a lot of money and the NCAA thinks a playoff will mess with that. I think they're wrong, we could do a 16 team bracket...have a true National Champion...and it wouldn't mess with the Bowl Season at all. Best of both worlds.

[NiftyNiblick]

College football isn't really conducive to any post season at all.

It interferes with final exams and it screws up the holiday break.

It seems that only the Ivy League does college football intelligently.

That's why the Harvard-Yale Game at Fenway Park this year will be the only college football game that I watch all season.

[CFM]

The fact that UCF was not in the playoff had nothing to do with whether or not they beat the only team to beat Alabama.

So win/loss records aren't as important as you have made them out to be? You've argued, although admittedly biased, that Alabama was in because they only had one loss while other teams, despite winning their conference championship didn't get it because of two losses. UCF had NO losses and beat the team to which Alabama lost. There is no reason UCF should have been left out based on the items YOU regularly use to defend Alabama being picked. In fact, the things you mentioned that were important, with win/loss being the one you mentioned the most, are things for which UCF had a better record than Alabama.

[Lightbringer]

So win/loss records aren't as important as you have made them out to be? You've argued, although admittedly biased, that Alabama was in because they only had one loss while other teams, despite winning their conference championship didn't get it because of two losses. UCF had NO losses and beat the team to which Alabama lost. There is no reason UCF should have been left out based on the items YOU regularly use to defend Alabama being picked. In fact, the things you mentioned that were important, with win/loss being the one you mentioned the most, are things for which UCF had a better record than Alabama.

Alabama played Mercer. According to the committee themselves that should have kept Bama out....but, but, it's Bama so....they're in. This whole thing is a fucking joke.

[CFM]

Alabama played Mercer. According to the committee themselves that should have kept Bama out....but, but, it's Bama so....they're in. This whole thing is a fucking joke.

Winterborn has admitted he's biased because he's an Alabama fan. Mention something about why a team that actually won their conference championship didn't make the playoffs and he's quick to come back with win/loss records being important. Yet point out that UCF had less losses than Alabama including a win over the time to which Alabama lost, won their conference title, and suddenly some other factor now is important and win/loss records don't mean anything.

What it boils down to is the committee wanted Alabama and had to find a way to bend over, pucker up, and kiss Nick Saban's ass. The funny part is Winterborn is right in that same line putting on Chapstik so as to not blister his lips.

A quick look at Alabama's schedule for 2018 shows two teams (LSU and Auburn) that are real competition. Other than that, no one expects teams like The Citadel, Louisiana, Arkansas, Arkansas St., or Louisville to bring much Alabama's way.

[Lightbringer]

Winterborn has admitted he's biased because he's an Alabama fan. Mention something about why a team that actually won their conference championship didn't make the playoffs and he's quick to come back with win/loss records being important. Yet point out that UCF had less losses than Alabama including a win over the time to which Alabama lost, won their conference title, and suddenly some other factor now is important and win/loss records don't mean anything.

What is boils down to is the committee wanted Alabama and had to find a way to bend over, pucker up, and kiss Nick Saban's ass. The funny part is Winterborn is right in that same line putting on Chapstik so as to not blister his lips.

16 team bracket. Let the kids settle the Natty themselves.

[CFM]

16 team bracket. Let the kids settle the Natty themselves.

The FCS (I-AA) has been doing it for years. Several conferences have automatic bids but above average teams that should get a shot but don't win their conference have a chance to get in. To win that championship, a team has to be consistently good for several weeks not just win one game on one night.

[Mott the Hoople]

The only reason we have this is because the Bowl Season makes a lot of money and the NCAA thinks a playoff will mess with that. I think they're wrong, we could do a 16 team bracket...have a true National Champion...and it wouldn't mess with the Bowl Season at all. Best of both worlds.

That and the perenial college football powers would have to share revenue.

[CFM]

I was reading some ideas on tweeking the CFP to make it better with out expanding it. The one I liked the best was based on a point system.

Before I explain it let’s go over what we’d want to accomplish.

Have a true national championship. Originally the CFP was intended to give conference championships heavy weight when selecting teams. It only took two years for a rogue committee to undermine that intention and send us back to National Championship by proxy.

Determine playoff teams on the field and not the committee room.

Eliminate subjective polls in the selection process.

Maintain the most meaningful regular season in team sports.

Make non-conference games meaningful to eliminate scheduling disparities.

Place more weight on division and conference championships.


The point system would be fairly simple. Each team wins a point for each victory during the regular season. For each victory against a top 5 conference team an additional point is awarded.

In addition a division champion is awarded 3 additional points and a conference champion is awarded 5 additional points.

This system would punish teams that schedule four weak mid majors as non-conference games and punishes teams that don’t play a conference championship game, as they should be, for playing one less game.

The question of a tie breaker comes up but some objective criteria can be used for that.

OSU had to play an extra game in the conference championship. They beat a higher ranked team and did not get in. Alabama lost to a lower ranked team, didn't play in their conference championship, yet still got in. Winterborn will contend that Alabama only had one loss, thereby, arguing that win/loss is the most important thing while ignoring the importance of a conference championship.