Guno צְבִי (09-22-2018), Jack (09-22-2018)
Guno צְבִי (09-22-2018), Jack (09-22-2018)
Last edited by Guno צְבִי; 09-22-2018 at 04:18 PM.
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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Guno צְבִי (09-22-2018)
cbn seriously you just used cbn as a source? well there goes all your credibility.. wait you had none to begin with
Guno צְבִי (09-22-2018)
[QUOTE=Grugore;2614475]Here it is.
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2016/...h-in-the-bible
A 'holy link' is not proof of anything. There are no 'proofs' in religion; religion is an open functional system. Open functional systems do not have the power of 'proof'...
Evidence is not 'proof'... Evidence is simply evidence.
A 'fact' is not a "universal truth", nor is it a "proof". A 'fact' is shorthand predicate that is accepted by all involved parties. Between you and I (assuming you are also a Christian), "God is real" would be a 'fact'. Between you, I, and some atheist, "God is real" would no longer be a 'fact'; it would return to being an argument.
The thread title itself is a paradox... "Incredible proof for why you should have faith in the Bible" ... You can't prove something that you are believing on faith... So which is it?
1) The Bible can be proven.
2) The Bible is believed on a faith basis.
Religion is defined by philosophy as "an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from that initial circular argument". That's all religion is... It doesn't even have to be "belief in a god(s)" in order to qualify as a religion... Atheism is a religion... The Big Bang Theory is as religion... The Theory of Abiogenesis is a religion... and so on and so forth...
I should correct myself... I meant to say "You can't prove something that you can only believe on a faith basis". --- One can, however, believe on a faith basis, something than can/has be(en) proven.
The "is" in the paradox breakdown should may be rephrased "can only be" for better clarity.
I read it correctly the first time. There is no proof because religion is an open functional system; religion does not have the power of proof. Plus, if you prove something, then you are not believing it on the basis of faith.
Again, not proofs... You listed supporting evidences...
I'm refuting your fundamentalism; I am not refuting your beliefs. I am a creationist and a Christian myself, so I do agree that the Christian God exists and that the Bible is the true Word of God, but I'm just not a fundamentalist about it.
God is real because the Bible tells us so.
The Bible is accurate because it's the word of God.
Does anybody see a problem with this?
Not in the slightest, Nifty, and I will explain why there is no problem with that.
You were most likely taught in school that circular reasoning is always a logical fallacy. Well, you were taught wrong...
Circular reasoning (P, therefore P) is actually logically valid reasoning in and of itself. This is because the conclusion follows from the predicate(s). It follows through the proof of identity. Another (more commonly used) word for circular reasoning is "faith".
Where the 'circular reasoning fallacy' comes into play is when one tries to prove their religion (because they either ignore or don't recognize the circular nature of their argument). This is what fundamentalism is.
Hopefully that clears things up.
Hmm, and imagine my thinking that all of those highly published PHD scholars were smarter than somebody who believes in a magic man in the sky.
Did circular reasoning serve you well with your SAT scores?
Believe what you want.
It's clearly your right.
Just don't try to stick that bullshit into the laws of the land.
Our nation is either a secular republic or it's a shithole whose time has come and gone.
I like how you cut off the rest of my post which explained WHY circular reasoning is not always a logical fallacy... I also like how you didn't directly address any of that reasoning that I provided you with. I suppose it opposes what you WANT to believe... pitty...
So, given that, you obviously have zero interest in learning how logic actually works. I'll still directly address your response anyway, for shits and giggles...
Appeal to Authority fallacy with some bigotry sprinkled on top.
Red herring attempt ignored.
Thank you for allowing me to do so.
Irrelevant.
Our nation is a federated republic.
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