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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Rattling off a few fallacies doesn't mean I'm using them, nor does stating something make it true.
    You are using them. Denial of logic. Argument of the stone fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I have a question...

    In the last 300 years which group / society that predominately follows which religion, has made the most scientific advances on the planet?
    Good questions (there are actually two of them here). Science, however, is not an 'advance'. It is just a set of falsifiable theories.

    Which society? Obviously, the Western world societies, Europe, the United States, etc. Why? A pretty important cultural difference, it turns out. Our way is the Greek way. We can take apart a bit of the world, model it, twiddle with it, and use what we learn by inserting it back into the whole. That's not really easy in the integrated view of the Universe the East has. You CAN'T take a bit of the Universe apart and examine it, because you can't fill it with the inner spirit that makes that bit possible.

    To be fair, some things DID come out of Eastern culture, such things as conflaguration explosive (low explosives)...rather by accident! He was actually trying to find the essence of life but wound up burning down his house. Paper also. Cranks and pistons, block printing, and even the magnetic compass came out of the Eastern culture. They used the compass as a fortune telling device. What fortunes we made on that thing when we got ahold of it and put it in our ships!

    Which religion? I would say Christian being the predominant one, the religion of most of Europe and quite predominate in the United States.

    That said, important theories of science came from atheists, Islam, Hindi, Buddhist, shinto, Judaism, Tao, and even believers of Norse, Roman, or Greek gods.
    In the past 300 years, that would be quite definitely Christianity as the predominant religion as having created the most of the existing theories of science.

    Several predominant nonscientific theories arose out of the same societies. The Theory of Abiogenesis, created in ancient Greece, and Theory of Creation, created in ancient Israel. The Theory of Evolution was also first proposed by the ancient Greeks, long before Darwin. The Theory of the Big Bang came out of Belgium from a Catholic Priest in 1931 by Georges Lemaitre. The Theory of the Continuum is much older. It's origins are unknown, but it has been discussed in ancient Greece, in ancient Israel, and in China.

    All of these are not theories of science. They are just theories, and they remain circular arguments, the way they began. They are each religions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Agnostics! The religion of science is Agnosticism.
    Agnosticism is not a religion. It is not science either. However, yes. Science is agnostic. It cares not whether there there is or is not a god or gods. It simply doesn't go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    You know nothing about critical thought or about science. You're not fooling anyone.
    Inversion fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Atheism isn't a religion.
    Depends.

    If you believe there is no god or gods, that is a religion.

    If you simply do not accept any religion, that is simply not a religion. It allows for the possibility of a god or gods existing, but doesn't state either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Calling atheism a "religion" is like calling "not collecting coins" a hobby.
    No. Many atheists openly declare there is no god or gods. That is a positive statement. That is a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Lol. No, because coins exist and gods do not.
    How do you know gods do not exist? This is your initial circular argument. All your other arguments stem from this argument. That is the very definition of a religion. The other word for the circular argument is 'faith'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Depends.

    If you believe there is no god or gods, that is a religion.

    If you simply do not accept any religion, that is simply not a religion. It allows for the possibility of a god or gods existing, but doesn't state either way.
    The last is called "Secularism." Secularists, unlike Atheists, don't care if there is or isn't a god or gods. They have no interest in this. Atheists by definition believe there is no god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    That's creationists that seem to be anti-science, not Christians as a whole.
    What makes creationists "anti-science"?
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    What makes creationists "anti-science"?
    Depends on what they believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The last is called "Secularism." Secularists, unlike Atheists, don't care if there is or isn't a god or gods. They have no interest in this. Atheists by definition believe there is no god.
    You are in error. You have those two reversed.

    I am an atheist. I am an atheist by virtue of lacking any theism. Let me run you through it one time ...

    Asynchronous: Lacking any synchronization or synchronicity
    Amoral: Lacking any morality component
    Amorphous: Lacking any form
    Apolitical: Lacking any political component
    Asexual: Lacking any sex
    Atypical: Lacking any typicality (I believe I just invented a word there)
    Atheist: Lacking any theism.

    Note that this has nothing to do with any gods. It is strictly about theism, or more specifically, the lack of it. This means that I do not even have Budhism because it is nonetheless a religion/theism despite not having any god/deity.

    Stating, or having the affirmative belief, that there is no god or gods is a theistic statement and makes one theistic, which precludes one from being atheistic, but it does make one secular.

    I am an atheist. I do not reject your God; I simply don't have it. I don't deny your house exists, nor do I insist that your house does exist in any specific form or that you even have one; whatever domicile you might have, I simply don't have it.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Depends on what they believe.
    That's true of anybody. There isn't anything about the theory that the Christian God did his magick and created everything OR ... that there was some initial creation that included God as part of everything that was "created."

    There isn't anything in any of that which violates the laws of the nature that was created.

    Now if someone decides to "tack on" some violation of physics that's his/her own addition.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    That's true of anybody. There isn't anything about the theory that the Christian God did his magick and created everything OR ... that there was some initial creation that included God as part of everything that was "created."

    There isn't anything in any of that which violates the laws of the nature that was created.

    Now if someone decides to "tack on" some violation of physics that's his/her own addition.
    When a Creationist says that the Earth is 6,000 years old, he assumes that the scientists are lying or that the Devil has been planting false evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The last is called "Secularism." Secularists, unlike Atheists, don't care if there is or isn't a god or gods. They have no interest in this. Atheists by definition believe there is no god.
    Uh. No. Atheists are not theists by definition. That what the 'A' in 'atheist' means.

    However, a lot of atheists are not atheists no matter what they call themselves. They are anti god believers. That's a religion. It is theism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    However, a lot of atheists are not atheists no matter what they call themselves. They are anti god believers. That's a religion. It is theism.
    Which god?

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