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    Default Ross McKitrick and John Christy have a new paper out in Earth and Space Science

    This is the latest fusillade in the long battle over whether the climate simulations that lie behind demands for decarbonisation and other political action actually amount to nothing but a hill of beans (as they say on the other side of the pond).

    Computer climate simulations predict that manmade global warming will cause the troposphere over the tropics to warm much faster than the surface, and there have been a series of scientific papers arguing whether these predictions are being borne out in practice. In a blog post published yesterday, McKitrick relates some of the back story, including attempts by one mainstream scientist to withhold his data, and the subsequent revelation that he had truncated it in a way that fundamentally altered the conclusions that would be drawn. McKitrick also outlines a series of subsequent papers that have concluded that real-world warming in the troposphere is much less than predicted:

    [W]hether we test the tropospheric trend magnitudes, or the ratio of tropospheric to surface trends, across all kinds of data sets, and across all major trend intervals, models have been shown to exaggerate the amplification rate and the warming rate, globally and in the tropics.

    So it’s not looking too good for the models. The next logical step is to consider what this means for the bigger picture, and this is where the new paper comes in. As McKitrick points out, if climate simulators get the rainfall in the Amazon wrong, it’s perhaps not the end of the story – that part of the model might be adjusted. But he and Christy are suggesting that what the models indicate about the tropical troposphere is essentially a diagnostic of their structures – almost all climate models agree that it will warm rapidly and it should only be greenhouse gases that can cause such a warming.

    In other words, if the models get this wrong, something is fundamentally wrong.

    Which is why it’s so important that the authors conclude their paper thus:

    Comparing modeled to observed trends over the past 60 years…shows that all models warm more rapidly than observations and in the majority of individual cases the discrepancy is statistically significant. We argue that this provides informative evidence against the major hypothesis in most current climate models.
    https://www.thegwpf.com/computer-sim...ef97a-20166381
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    The paper is paywalled but here is the abstract.

    Abstract
    Overall climate sensitivity to CO2 doubling in a general circulation model results from a complex system of parameterizations in combination with the underlying model structure. We refer to this as the model's “major hypothesis” and we assume it to be testable. We explain four criteria a valid test should meet: measurability, specificity, independence and uniqueness. We argue that temperature change in the tropical 200‐300 hPa layer meets these criteria. Comparing modeled to observed trends over the past 60 years using a persistence‐robust variance estimator shows that all models warm more rapidly than observations and in the majority of individual cases the discrepancy is statistically significant. We argue that this provides informative evidence against the major hypothesis in most current climate models.

    http://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.c...9/2018EA000401

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    More damning evidence that climate models are fundamentally wrong and cannot be trusted.

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    It is just so easy

    Ross McKiteick?
    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...ng/myths/ross-

    "Earth and its ecosystems—created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His sustained faithful providence— are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory"
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    And John Christy, it was only a decade and half ago he was promoting the "revelation" that atmosphere was not warming and was actually cooling
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    So easy to discredit all the Flat Earther "intellectuals" you post pretending to be authorities, did you ever think that maybe there is a reason for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is just so easy

    Ross McKiteick?
    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...ng/myths/ross-

    "Earth and its ecosystems—created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His sustained faithful providence— are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory"
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    And John Christy, it was only a decade and half ago he was promoting the "revelation" that atmosphere was not warming and was actually cooling
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    So easy to discredit all the Flat Earther "intellectuals" you post pretending to be authorities, did you ever think that maybe there is a reason for that?
    The Guardian is away with the fairies just like you! I notice that you never ever discuss content. This paper was published by the American Geophysical Union and peer reviewed. Care to tell me which of the IPCC AR5 RCP scenarios do you consider most likely to occur? You can't even spell McKitrick's name or post a link that works correctly, so I doubt you will respond intelligently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It is just so easy

    Ross McKiteick?
    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...ng/myths/ross-

    "Earth and its ecosystems—created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His sustained faithful providence— are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory"
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    And John Christy, it was only a decade and half ago he was promoting the "revelation" that atmosphere was not warming and was actually cooling
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ture-estimates

    So easy to discredit all the Flat Earther "intellectuals" you post pretending to be authorities, did you ever think that maybe there is a reason for that?
    I can't help feeling that you miss the severe arse kickings you got from Legion, which is why you've come sniffing around me.

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