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    I am really getting tired of the abject stupidity of the right wing, or partisan hacks, period. And this poster is one of the most ignorant of them all.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    so you get the idea the WTO is pretty much powerless to enforce free trade. good. The answer then is not to rely on multi-lateral trade ( just like the TPP) it's to negotiate bilateral agreements with partners and get fair trade.
    Which is the point of tariffs.
    You obviously do not understand the point of tariffs which have been around since the foundation of the country. Nor do you understand international trade agreements. Would it ever cross your dense little mind that we have no problem with other countries, or until Trump came in anyway, save for China? China is the only one that consistently violates the rules of the WTO. It is also the one that greedy asshole like Trump moved to rather then use American manufacturing plants which then led to the loss of some 60,000 manufacturing plants under Bush43, and some 7-8 million jobs, stagnant wages, loss of homes for the middle class, etc. ALL of that occurred under Bush, and the Repugnant ones you support. Even the asshole Trump bought his steel from China, not American manufacturers. Why do you think China gave him 36 additional trademarks after he was elected, and gave Ivanka an additional 7? Why do you think the lying coward has not moved his manufacturing back to America? Why do you think he still uses the H1-B program to hire workers?

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tariff.asp

    As to the manufacturing jobs, I SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU -2018 is a bumper year.
    If you look at the graph you see the trend line jumping up on Trumps POTUS what you don't see is the steep curve for 2018. Why I told you about it _ i couldn't find a more recent graph. 447k manufacturing jobs created since Trump was elected!!
    Look at Freds graph again, and try to learn something. There is a reason why the term "SORT OF" is used. Trump created NOTHING. In fact, for the first year of his tenure we were still under the policies of Obama. If you do some honest, and it requires some intellect not just repeating the talking points of liars, more jobs were created by the Obama policies. But fools like you want to use Obamas policies to judge the economy by while giving credit to Trump. He was elected on Nov. 6, 2016, however, the liar was not sworn in until Jan 20, 2017. So you, in your usual ignorant state, want to give Trump credit for the time he was not even President.

    Now, is there ever going to be a time when you will explain who it was that forced American companies to move to China, and agree to give our technological discoveries to China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    prove it
    They think they are immune from proving anything just as their gawd Trump does.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    we are fighting back.
    WTO complaiants go no where. China promises to reform and then does nothing ( typical Chinese pattern)
    yea you are fighting back


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Bullshit. All our "exceptional" nation can do is claim it ain't fair? American's will swallow anything.
    It is not bullshit. It is reality. No one can beat China when it comes to industrial espionage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    It is not bullshit. It is reality. No one can beat China when it comes to industrial espionage.
    Why not? We taught them everything they know. It is only the lack of will that prevents us from defeating their hackers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Why not? We taught them everything they know. It is only the lack of will that prevents us from defeating their hackers.
    The Chinese learned that themselves. They are just better at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The Chinese learned that themselves. They are just better at it.
    Until IBM gave the Chinese their first computers, and showed them how to use them, under Bill Clinton, they had no knowledge of computers. Then we brought them to our schools where they learned even more. Like everything else, if we had left them alone, and not catered to them, they would still be a developing nation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/19/w...urt-china.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    I am really getting tired of the abject stupidity of the right wing, or partisan hacks, period. And this poster is one of the most ignorant of them all.



    You obviously do not understand the point of tariffs which have been around since the foundation of the country. Nor do you understand international trade agreements. Would it ever cross your dense little mind that we have no problem with other countries, or until Trump came in anyway, save for China? China is the only one that consistently violates the rules of the WTO. It is also the one that greedy asshole like Trump moved to rather then use American manufacturing plants which then led to the loss of some 60,000 manufacturing plants under Bush43, and some 7-8 million jobs, stagnant wages, loss of homes for the middle class, etc. ALL of that occurred under Bush, and the Repugnant ones you support. Even the asshole Trump bought his steel from China, not American manufacturers. Why do you think China gave him 36 additional trademarks after he was elected, and gave Ivanka an additional 7? Why do you think the lying coward has not moved his manufacturing back to America? Why do you think he still uses the H1-B program to hire workers?

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tariff.asp



    Look at Freds graph again, and try to learn something. There is a reason why the term "SORT OF" is used. Trump created NOTHING. In fact, for the first year of his tenure we were still under the policies of Obama. If you do some honest, and it requires some intellect not just repeating the talking points of liars, more jobs were created by the Obama policies. But fools like you want to use Obamas policies to judge the economy by while giving credit to Trump. He was elected on Nov. 6, 2016, however, the liar was not sworn in until Jan 20, 2017. So you, in your usual ignorant state, want to give Trump credit for the time he was not even President.

    Now, is there ever going to be a time when you will explain who it was that forced American companies to move to China, and agree to give our technological discoveries to China?
    whoa Skippy. slow it down there. Debating the causes of offshoring and how to best reshore is a separate topic then trade barriers/tariffs.
    I'm not a Republican. I never was and never voted for one as POTUS until Trump/
    Because Clinton was that loathful a serial liar over her Emails. (constant goal post shifting of what she knew/did)
    Libya was just another confirmation she was a war hawk. we destroyed Libya ( regime change interventionism) into a failed terrorist state
    She's uber- PC on top of it all now. I mention my politics because you keep shotgunning them up in debate
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    You obviously do not understand the point of tariffs which have been around since the foundation of the country. Nor do you understand international trade agreements. Would it ever cross your dense little mind that we have no problem with other countries, or until Trump came in anyway, save for China? China is the only one that consistently violates the rules of the WTO.
    the new Mexican NAFTA increases wages for autoworkers in both countries, so cheaper labor becomes less of a factor.
    It also helps freeze out Chinese auto parts from NAFTA auto assemble plants -
    requirement are much higher for content from NAFTA zone.

    It's a good agreement. it took about months once it was separated from Canada talk
    Trudeau is dicking Trump ( being the twerp he he is) to delay much movement.
    It would have to get done this month to fast track it. It won't. and then we get a socialist Mexican president seated. Who says he still supports this..etc.
    ~~

    The EU trade agreements are out of whack as well, with their protectionism on cars / agri-products

    ~~
    Chinese trademarks were already pending. DiD China fact track them? probably.
    ~~
    it's no just jobs. It's good paying jobs with a future. Manufacturing is that.Replacing lower pay/low skill jobs with higher pay skill is wealth increase. The GDP should hit 3% or so this year. The stock market hit a record high.

    What trade war? Dow hits record high
    https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/20/inv...cks/index.html
    The Dow just soared to its first record high since late January.

    The milestone shows that Wall Street is mostly unfazed by the escalating trade clash between the United States and China.

    The Dow's 251-point leap on Thursday marked its 100th record close since President Donald Trump's election, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices. The S&P 500 also notched an all-time high.

    The Dow closed at 26,657. It has spiked about 3,300 points since a low on April 2, when investors were more worried about trade. They're betting that the strong US economy will power through the outbreak of tariffs.

    "The market is showing incredible strength," said Paul Hickey, co-founder of Bespoke Investment Group.

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    China cutting import tariffs amid US trade war: Report
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...ade-war-report
    Beijing is looking to cut tariff rates on imports from some of its major trading partners as early as October, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, citing two people familiar with the matter.

    The move is part of an effort to lift economic growth by boosting imports and opening its economy.
    However, whether U.S. imports would be affected by the reduction remains to be seen, at a time when the tit-for-tat tariff war between the two countries gets more intense. As Bloomberg noted, World Trade Organization rules stipulate that a reduction in tariffs must be applied equally – but Beijing can also pick and choose which products to reduce tariffs on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    whoa Skippy. slow it down there. Debating the causes of offshoring and how to best reshore is a separate topic then trade barriers/tariffs.
    I'm not a Republican. I never was and never voted for one as POTUS until Trump/
    Because Clinton was that loathful a serial liar over her Emails. (constant goal post shifting of what she knew/did)
    Libya was just another confirmation she was a war hawk. we destroyed Libya ( regime change interventionism) into a failed terrorist state
    She's uber- PC on top of it all now. I mention my politics because you keep shotgunning them up in debate
    Whoa cherry jelly, who mentioned Clinton aside from a reference to Billy, and he sure as hell wasn't running. My argument has been, and will remain, that the American people were conned by both parties, and their propagandists, into thinking that there were only two choices to choose from. Both were liars (what politician doesn't lie, right?), and one was worse then the other. So you, in your partisan way, bring up Libya, the Clinton e-mails, etc., all of which was investigated by a Republican controlled witch hunt, and came away with nothing. I find it sadly amusing that after all your whining about Hillary you chose to vote for a guy that went bankrupt six times, was sued at least 3500 times for not paying his debts, cannot get a loan from an American bank, drove some of his contractors into bankruptcy, hired illegal aliens, cheated on all of his wives, lied about all of his competition to get your vote, was a coward when it came time to go fight for the country, lied to Veterans, and in general is a piece of human trash. And you found that to be a better choice then Clinton.

    Now, after such a sign of intelligence as you generated with that one choice (and there were many others running for the office that were true American patriots who actually love their country) I'm not even going to get into the right wing trash you post as some economic theory. Most economists, Forbes, Wall Street Journal, The Economist, etc., would disagree with you as I have posted. If you prefer to believe your fellow Trump sycophants then so be it. Useful idiots rule the day, and will until the American people who truly love the country get tired of the trash, and change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Whoa cherry jelly, who mentioned Clinton aside from a reference to Billy, and he sure as hell wasn't running. My argument has been, and will remain, that the American people were conned by both parties, and their propagandists, into thinking that there were only two choices to choose from. Both were liars, and one was worse then the other. So you, in your partisan way, bring up Libya, the Clinton e-mails, etc., all of which was investigated by a Republican controlled witch hunt, and came away with nothing. I find it sadly amusing that after all your whining about Hillary you chose to vote for a guy that went bankrupt six times, was sued at least 3500 times for not paying his debts, drove some of his contractors into bankruptcy, hired illegal aliens, cheated on all of his wives, lied about all of his competition to get your vote, was a coward when it came time to go fight for the country, lied to Veterans, and in general is a piece of human trash. And you found that to be a better choice then Clinton.

    Now, after such a sign of intelligence as you generated with that one choice (and there were many others running for the office that were true American patriots who actually love their country) I'm not even going to get into the right wing trash you post as some economic theory. Most economists, Forbes, Wall Street Journal, The Economist, etc., would disagree with toy as I have posted. If you prefer to believe your fellow Trump sycophants then so be it. Useful idiots rule the day, and will until the American people who truly love the country get tired of the trash, and change it.
    weak sauce.
    And I said "Libya" not "Bengazi" as in the US led interventionism of 2011 by Obama -led by Hillary
    ( i have her own emails/memos and plenty of references on that if need be). again. not Bengazi.

    I din't post theory. I gave you specific reasons for the tariffs, and why the new NAFTA needs getting done

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