Here is all of the evidence against Judge Kavanaugh

[Oneuli]

The reason why many women don’t come forward is because they are exposed to threatening behavior, look at the women who accused Trump, Cosby, Moore, etc. There are some of these women who were harassed to the point they feared for their lives. Ford herself has had to leave her home because of these threats. It is not an easy thing to do.

Yes, and I don't doubt that the viciousness of the response to Ford is calculated, in part, to intimidate other women who might think of coming forward. But with Trump, Cosby, Moore, etc., others did come forward, despite such efforts. So far, nobody else has done so against Kavanaugh, have they?

[Phantasmal]

Yes, and I don't doubt that the viciousness of the response to Ford is calculated, in part, to intimidate other women who might think of coming forward. But with Trump, Cosby, Moore, etc., others did come forward, despite such efforts. So far, nobody else has done so against Kavanaugh, have they?

No, not so far, but it doesn’t mean there aren’t others.

[canceled.2021.2]

Let the FBI investigate. It is amazing what an FBI investigation can come up with.

What is the rush.

Oneuli has hit the nail squarely on its head on this question.

Think about it.

Confirm now. Investigate later

If he is found guilty of a crime by proper jurisprudence, then by all means impeach him and remove him from office

But, there is not enough here to prevent him from ascending to his rightful position on the highest court of the land

I wish the GOP would grow a set of balls

[TTQ64]

How come people don't treat his racism like they do his raping of women?

Is one more disgusting than the other?

[floridafan]

Confirm now. Investigate later

If he is found guilty of a crime by proper jurisprudence, then by all means impeach him and remove him from office

But, there is not enough here to prevent him from ascending to his rightful position on the highest court of the land

I wish the GOP would grow a set of balls

Whats the rush, you have weeks before the election

[TOP]

If you are a woman...you are not much of a woman, TOP.

Wake up.

Really.

It won't hurt.

If you feel that way, I know I'm doing the right thing here. ...and btw....I'm woke

[TTQ64]

Yes, and I don't doubt that the viciousness of the response to Ford is calculated, in part, to intimidate other women who might think of coming forward. But with Trump, Cosby, Moore, etc., others did come forward, despite such efforts. So far, nobody else has done so against Kavanaugh, have they?

Only Cosby has been charged though.

dump became President

[Darth Omar]

The most damning case against Ford, at this point, is that nobody else has come forward alleging other incidents like that. Usually if a guy is accused once, you then get several other accounts of similar behavior, since leopards don't usually change their spots. Kavanaugh has been around for a long time, so if he tends towards sexually predatory behavior, it seems unlikely he'd only have done it once.

Meanwhile, the most damning case against Kavanaugh is that the simplest and most consistent explanation for her claim against him is that the attack actually occurred. It's hard to come up with some other explanation that fits the known facts as well.

You can’t use Ford’s account as basis to be skeptical of Kavanaugh lol.

If you’re trying to invoke Occam’s, the best you can say is ‘something’ occurred. It could easily be true that Ford is intentionally misrepresenting what occured—and the FBI has no way of knowing which.

It does sound odd that one individual would be standing there and laughing while the alleged incident occurred. And it’s apparent from the account that if it was attempted rape—it was a weak attempt that ended up with something resembling a wrestling match between the perp and a witness. That’s not the way these incidents usually end up.

The fact is there’s no compelling reason to reject Kavanaugh’s statements. He’s been put into a position of having to explain his behavior when the accuser can’t even nail down the when’s and where’s.

The whole affair is pretty sketchy, imo

[Eagle_Eye]

Yes, at this point that's true. It'll be interesting to see what happens once it's investigated more closely.



What makes you think it was found to be untrue?



It's an alleged attack. I'm not saying it definitely happened. I consider it more likely than not that it did, but I'm keeping an open mind until all the evidence is in.



Would that story explain the matter traumatizing her so much that she was talking about it with a psychologist many years later? Would it explain her willingness to disrupt her life to put herself in the crosshairs this way? I think we've all had make-out sessions interrupted, and that doesn't become a big psychological issue.

Your version of events just doesn't line up with what we know. Let's look at the possibilities:

(1) She made this up completely, in response to the nomination, and got both her psychologist and her husband to lie about it, to make it sound like the claims long predated the nomination. That seems impossible to me, since if she had gotten the psychologist to lie, they'd have gotten their stories exactly straight -- the fact the psychologist's notes differ somewhat from her account is consistent with the idea they're genuine contemporaneous notes, rather than something fabricated later to back-date her story.

(2) She made this up completely long before the nomination, because she hates Kavanaugh enough, for some unidentified reason, to have invented a story against him years ago that she shared with her shrink and husband, but only recently decided to use against Kavanaugh. This seems at least remotely possible, though I haven't heard any plausible theory for why she'd hate Kavanaugh that much other than for the alleged attack. It's hard to picture someone inventing a story of a sexual attack many years later just for a psychologist and a husband.

(3) Some sort of sexual attack really did occur, serious enough to cause her psychological turmoil decades later, but it wasn't Kavanaugh, and some trick of memory has caused her to misattribute it to him. This is also remotely possible, though she hasn't suggested any lack of certainty about his involvement. It's not like someone falsely identifying a stranger -- she would have known him, so she would have been clear as to who he was.

(4) Kavanaugh really did sexually attack her in some way serious enough to cause her psychological turmoil decades later.

If it's choice four, the exact details of the attack need not be clear for it to be enough that it should sink the guy's nomination. If he did something bad enough to her that it's still eating at her all these years later, he did something bad enough that he shouldn't be on the Supreme Court.

>>"Would that story explain the matter traumatizing her so much that she was talking about it with a psychologist many years later?"

++ Who claims it was this incident? The Psychologist? Doesn't a doctor have to keep patient information secret? So we have no way of knowing if this is the incident or if she is confusing another incident.

Then there is the matter of the so-called lie detector test. Who takes a lie detector test prior to coming out with a accusation?
There are so many little things that make this smell like a set up.

I would like to know what her reputation in HS was. Some how I get the feeling she might have been a tease or party girl in HS, and that could be why she might be confusing Kavanaugh with someone else.

Her story is so disjointed and changed I'm not sure what the truth is.

[canceled.2021.2]

Whats the rush, you have weeks before the election

Confirm now. Investigate later

These are serious charges and in all fairness to Dr. Ford they need to be fully investigated by the local police force to determine if charges for aggravated assault, attempted rape and attempted murder should be filed against Judge Kavanaugh requiring him to stand trial for these crimes. Dr. Ford has suffered for 36 years and we owe her this full accounting at the local level and IF convicted of these crimes, Judge Kavanaugh should be impeached and sent to prison

Until then there is nothing that has been presented that would prevent him from serving on the US Supreme Court. All we have so far are unsubstantiated allegations that need to be proven in a court of law

[floridafan]

Confirm now. Investigate later

These are serious charges and in all fairness to Dr. Ford they need to be fully investigated by the local police force to determine if charges for aggravated assault, attempted rape and attempted murder should be filed against Judge Kavanaugh requiring him to stand trial for these crimes. Dr. Ford has suffered for 36 years and we owe her this full accounting at the local level and IF convicted of these crimes, Judge Kavanaugh should be impeached and sent to prison



Until then there is nothing that has been presented that would prevent him from serving on the US Supreme Court. All we have so far are unsubstantiated allegations that need to be proven in a court of law

These Senators must run for election once again.As of now their candidate is in hot water. it would be a political disaster to vote now before Mrs. Ford is heard.

[canceled.2021.2]

These Senators must run for election once again.As of now their candidate is in hot water. it would be a political disaster to vote now before Mrs. Ford is heard.

You don't know that

[floridafan]

You don't know that

FYI

Trump has already begun his vindictive tweets against Mrs. Ford, look out below.

[Oneuli]

Confirm now. Investigate later

If he is found guilty of a crime by proper jurisprudence, then by all means impeach him and remove him from office

But, there is not enough here to prevent him from ascending to his rightful position on the highest court of the land

I wish the GOP would grow a set of balls

It would be absurd to confirm him now, when this serious allegation has not been vetted. There's no rush. It's September. The next Congress doesn't convene until January, so even if the Republicans are worried that Kavanaugh isn't strong enough to be confirmed by a different Senate, that still leaves well over three months to vet him properly.

[Oneuli]

You can’t use Ford’s account as basis to be skeptical of Kavanaugh lol.

I'd have to be insane not to.

If you’re trying to invoke Occam’s, the best you can say is ‘something’ occurred.

No. That would be saying nothing at all. Something occurs every instant of every day in every place. What we can say with reasonable confidence here is that something occurred that traumatized a 15-year-old girl to the point that even when she grew up to be a highly successful woman, she was seeking psychological help to deal with its mental repercussions.

It does sound odd that one individual would be standing there and laughing while the alleged incident occurred

Why does that sound odd to you?

And it’s apparent from the account that if it was attempted rape—it was a weak attempt that ended up with something resembling a wrestling match between the perp and a witness. That’s not the way these incidents usually end up.

What makes you think that? What percentage of attempted rapes do you think are abandoned when the target has put up enough of a fight that the would-be rapist realizes that he's going to leave a bruised and battered victim and thus find it hard to explain away as consensual sex that she later regretted? What percentage of attempted rapes do you think are abandoned when the target makes enough noise that the would-be rapist realizes someone's going to hear it and he'll be caught if he continues? I don't know the answers to those questions. I'm betting you don't either. But you assert that it's not usual for these things to end up this way. So what's the basis for that belief?

The fact is there’s no compelling reason to reject Kavanaugh’s statements.

The only compelling reason to reject Kavanaugh's statements, at this point, is Ford's statements. The only compelling reason to reject Ford's statements, at this point, is Kavanaugh's statements. You've decided which to believe based on your politics.