Evidence; Ukrainians downed MH17- not Russians.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Here is an indisputable fact: A passenger plane was shot down over territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists. Everyone understands that it was a mistake and not an intentional act, and the separatists could have admitted as much.

In a similar situation, when Soviet forces mistakenly shot down a South Korean airliner in 1983, Soviet media did not deny the incident but focused all its propaganda efforts on explaining the context of how it happened, claiming, for example, that the South Korean crew had "provocatively changed course."

This time the Kremlin-controlled media has repeatedly claimed that: the airplane was not shot down at all, but fell out of the sky by itself; a bomb exploded aboard the airplane; the airplane was hit by a Ukrainian missile fired from the ground; a Ukrainian air force fighter pursued and then attacked the plane; the U.S. shot down the plane in order to damage Russia's reputation; no living people were aboard the plane as it flew on autopilot from Amsterdam, where it had been pre-loaded with "rotting corpses."

Difficult as it is to believe, that last, completely ridiculous version of events, which was put forward by Igor Girkin, the commander of the pro-Russian terrorists responsible for the tragedy, not only aired on all state-controlled media outlets, but was the subject of serious discussion.

All of those versions of events were deliberate lies, and all of the reporters and commentators who authored and discussed them knew they were telling lies. And yet they still did it.

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...-reality-37849


The lonely voice of Russian honesty, stll not completely shut down.

[moon]

Here is an indisputable fact: A passenger plane was shot down over territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

It would be a far safer world if the skies over territory you control were inaccessible to anybody else. That's not the case, of course- and so this ' indisputable fact ' is meaningless- even if true.

[iolo]

Do I believe Mr Putin? Certainly not. Do I believe the regime set up after the overthrow of the legitimate Ukrainian Government? Certainly not. Have I got the evidence to decide between them? Only guff from interested parties. I pass.

[cancel2 2022]

He's not dumb. He's a Russian troll..and there are several others on this very thread

He is the undoubtedly paid to spread dezinformatsiya, nobody would post so much bullshit for fun.

[anatta]

Do I believe Mr Putin? Certainly not. Do I believe the regime set up after the overthrow of the legitimate Ukrainian Government? Certainly not. Have I got the evidence to decide between them? Only guff from interested parties. I pass.

what regime?
there is more then ample evidence the US was heavily involved in making sure the Euromaidan was successful in turning away from the Russian offer of nat. gas.debt relief, and increased economic ties to Russia.

Or as Nuland put it. "Fuck the EU"..
it was always about geopolitics for the US -not the best interest of the Ukrainian people

[Lesh]

what regime?
there is more then ample evidence the US was heavily involved in making sure the Euromaidan was successful in turning away from the Russian offer of nat. gas.debt relief, and increased economic ties to Russia.

Or as Nuland put it. "Fuck the EU"..
it was always about geopolitics for the US -not the best interest of the Ukrainian people

Sock Puppets on parade

[evince]

So the evidence shows that ' our ' boys destroyed a civilian airliner- not our intended patsies. Anybody even care that ' we're' terrorists ?

the Russian times ?

how stupid are you?

[moon]

Sock Puppets on parade

anatta has a good point . What have you got- besides troll drivel.

[anatta]

Sock Puppets on parade

^ moronic inability to add anything of value to this thread.

[Lesh]

^ moronic inability to add anything of value to this thread.

I think pointing out Russian agents like you is VERY important

[moon]

I think pointing out Russian agents like you is VERY important

I confess to being a disseminator of truth regardless of its source , including Russia. You can go now, your song is concluded.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

More Kremlin 'truth' ...

Russia says MH17 was shot down by plane missiles

Russian state television has produced a "satellite image" that allegedly showed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 being shot down by a fighter jet yesterday, in what appeared to be a crude fake deliberately released on the eve of the G20 economic summit.

Moscow has suggested in the past that a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was tracking the passenger liner.

Russian and international bloggers quickly pointed to what they said were a mass of discrepancies with the supposed satellite image, including the fact the markings on the side of the Boeing were in the wrong place for a Malaysia Airlines jet, the clouds in the picture were identical to those in a Google Earth image from 2012, and the image was not consistent with the flight path of the jet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-missiles.html

[moon]

More Kremlin 'truth' ...

Russia says MH17 was shot down by plane missiles

Russian state television has produced a "satellite image" that allegedly showed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 being shot down by a fighter jet yesterday, in what appeared to be a crude fake deliberately released on the eve of the G20 economic summit.

Moscow has suggested in the past that a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was tracking the passenger liner.

Russian and international bloggers quickly pointed to what they said were a mass of discrepancies with the supposed satellite image, including the fact the markings on the side of the Boeing were in the wrong place for a Malaysia Airlines jet, the clouds in the picture were identical to those in a Google Earth image from 2012, and the image was not consistent with the flight path of the jet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-missiles.html

You've made a silly error. Your ' news ' is dated November 2014.

Get back on track and look at the evidence now presented by the Russians to the Dutch investigators. Why the mere mention of ' Russia ' scares the crap out of people should be of concern to every thinking individual. Somebody is stoking the fires of hatred.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

You've made a silly error. Your ' news ' is dated November 2014.

It wasn't an error. I was aware that this crudely faked photo was put out in 2014.

So you're saying it was okay for the Kremlin to lie THEN, but NOW they are telling the truth?

As for the new 'evidence' that they say they have presented to the Dutch investigators - about the origin of the Buk missile -
how difficult do you think it would be for the Russian Ministry of Defense to fake documentation like that?

[cancel2 2022]

You've made a silly error. Your ' news ' is dated November 2014.

Get back on track and look at the evidence now presented by the Russians to the Dutch investigators. Why the mere mention of ' Russia ' scares the crap out of people should be of concern to every thinking individual. Somebody is stoking the fires of hatred.

A good rule of thumb, if Putin lips are moving then he's lying. Of course we know where your lips are most of time.