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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Stupid truth-deflecting bum. You post an article from October 2016 to attempt to smother evidence produced today.
    Moron:

    MH17: Plane shot down with Russian military missile launcher, investigators conclude
    24 May 2018

    The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team said last year the Buk 9M38 surface-to-air missile in question arrived from Russia and was fired from territory held by Russia-backed separatists.

    But Thursday's press conference in the Netherlands for the first time implicated the Russian military

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sian-military/
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Dumbfuck. The evidence has just been produced. You're a conditioned dope.

    https://www.rt.com/news/438596-mh17-...sian-briefing/

    Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was produced in 1986, owned by Ukraine - Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Dumb fuck. The evidence has just been produced. You're a conditioned dope.
    Yeah dumbfuck; the report and journalists are all lying and only YOU, an America hating Fascist Mega dunce have all the facts. STFU moron.
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    Derided addlepate- the Russians have provided the evidence to the Dutch investigators whose findings YOU applaud- yet you seek to pre-empt their investigations. You're a derisible half-wit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    What sort of a conditioned dope calls evidence contrary to his own misconceptions ' propaganda ' ?

    We are talking EVIDENCE which has been handed to the investigating body. Pre-empting it is as dumb as your pal maggot accusing Putin of lacing a rural English village with an outmoded nerve agent - still stocked at a nearby Brit nerve agent facility.
    It's not evidence just because Russia and Pravda say something.

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    Now for something completely different ...


    Alexander Litvinenko 'may have killed himself'

    Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko may have accidentally killed himself after handling radioactive material, a key suspect in his death has said. Dimitri Kovtun told a news conference in Moscow he thought the death was "suicide by negligence".

    Mr Litvinenko, 43, died three weeks after drinking tea laced with the radioactive substance polonium-210.

    Before he died, Mr Litvinenko - a former officer with the Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the KGB - accused Russian president Vladimir Putin of ordering his assassination. The claims were denied by the Kremlin.

    Speaking at a news conference in Moscow, Mr Kovtun said he believed Mr Litvinenko may have poisoned himself. "I am more than sure that he dealt with polonium without knowing it," the Russian news agency Interfax reported him saying. "Maybe it was leaking and polonium accumulated in his body gradually. It is possible that something he carried with him led to a gradual accumulation of polonium in the body," he added.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32221581


    What do you make of that, moon, anatta? Pretty plausible, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Now for something completely different ...


    Alexander Litvinenko 'may have killed himself'

    Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko may have accidentally killed himself after handling radioactive material, a key suspect in his death has said. Dimitri Kovtun told a news conference in Moscow he thought the death was "suicide by negligence".

    Mr Litvinenko, 43, died three weeks after drinking tea laced with the radioactive substance polonium-210.

    Before he died, Mr Litvinenko - a former officer with the Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the KGB - accused Russian president Vladimir Putin of ordering his assassination. The claims were denied by the Kremlin.

    Speaking at a news conference in Moscow, Mr Kovtun said he believed Mr Litvinenko may have poisoned himself. "I am more than sure that he dealt with polonium without knowing it," the Russian news agency Interfax reported him saying. "Maybe it was leaking and polonium accumulated in his body gradually. It is possible that something he carried with him led to a gradual accumulation of polonium in the body," he added.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32221581


    What do you make of that, moon, anatta? Pretty plausible, eh?
    Bullshit comes to mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Bullshit comes to mind!
    I want to see if moon and anatta swallow it. See?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    I mean the Donbass militia used a missile that the Russians had "lent" them (presumably with a crew to operate it) and shot down the airliner MH17 by mistake!

    Once they discovered their mistake, it was all hands - and useful idiots - to the disinformation pumps. That's what they've been doing ever since, and the OP is just the latest instalment.

    It's so predictable.
    why would Russia send 1 random SAM battery? doing so puts their military -not just separatists- right in the middle of the Donbass war.
    More likely like the OP shows by documentation it was made back in the mid-80's and sent/sold to the Ukraine government.
    They fucked up and shot down an airliner and blamed it on Russia. western press and intelligence are complicit as usual in blaming Russia. Just like we did in the Euromaidan. we blame our meddling on Russia

    all the US has is this stuff about "trajectories" - do you you think the Dutch will look seriously at Russia's documentation? Of course not. they are invested in blaming Russian military as well

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    does anyone still actually care about this? if it were the russians they should just shut up and let everyone forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    why would Russia send 1 random SAM battery? doing so puts their military -not just separatists- right in the middle of the Donbass war.
    More likely like the OP shows by documentation it was made back in the mid-80's and sent/sold to the Ukraine government.
    They fucked up and shot down an airliner ...
    Why would the Ukrainians shoot down anything? The separatists didn't have planes.

    I showed in post #6 what TASS and other Russian news agencies reported on July 17, 2014, the day MH17 was downed. They said that the Donbass militia had shot down a military transport of the Ukrainian air force.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/741164

    Within hours it was clear there had been a terrible blunder, and a civilian airliner had been brought down with the loss of 300 lives. From then on there was no more mention in the Russian media of the separatists shooting a missile or bringing down anything. Instead it was the Ukrainians who had done it somehow. The disinformation, denial and obfuscation started. The OP is the latest instalment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Why would the Ukrainians shoot down anything? The separatists didn't have planes.

    I showed in post #6 what TASS and other Russian news agencies reported on July 17, 2014, the day MH17 was downed. They said that the Donbass militia had shot down a military transport of the Ukrainian air force.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/741164

    Within hours it was clear there had been a terrible blunder, and a civilian airliner had been brought down with the loss of 300 lives. From then on there was no more mention in the Russian media of the separatists shooting a missile or bringing down anything. Instead it was the Ukrainians who had done it somehow. The disinformation, denial and obfuscation started. The OP is the latest instalment.
    I should have said Ukraine militias( active in Donbass) - who would have gotten the SAM from the Ukraine government's purchase from Moscow.
    They would use it against any Russian military transport or resupply. or just to have in defense.

    we need an impartial investigation. the Dutch are too close to this.. we won't get one of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    "The evidence disproves the accusations ..."

    And you believe this because the Russian Ministry of Defense SAYS SO?

    Please tell me you're not that dumb, moon!
    He's not dumb. He's a Russian troll..and there are several others on this very thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I should have said Ukraine militias( active in Donbass) - who would have gotten the SAM from the Ukraine government's purchase from Moscow.
    They would use it against any Russian military transport or resupply. or just to have in defense.

    we need an impartial investigation. the Dutch are too close to this.. we won't get one of course
    And here is another

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
    He's not dumb. He's a Russian troll..and there are several others on this very thread
    You sure look like an American troll to me- and you ain't the only one here.
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