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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Tom despite the considerable advances in safety in nuclear technology you’re still glossing over the considerable and very real health and safety risks still associated with nuclear technology, nor the security risks and you didn’t even address the huge problems of solid waste disposal of both HLW and LLW.

    You’re bias against renewables is funny. Yes you have some legitimate criticisms but that’s an absurd reason to not develop these technologies and the notion your trying to present that nuclear is a perfectly safe, clean and cost affective alternative is also absurd.
    Holy shit, molten salt reactors can use spent fuel, how many times do you have to be told that? Anyway, China, India and Canada will move ahead developing SMR technologies. You're just being a dinosaur Mott, renewables are far too flakey doesn't the disaster of the Energiewende in Germany even cause you to think again? You might also tell me how a reactor buried 30 metres below grade cannot be totally safe. You're blinkered as far as I am concerned, fortunately people like Bill Gates totally disagree with you. Molten Salt technology is not even new, they had a working reactor at Oak Ridge in the 60s. Can you tell me why you are so set against reactors which can be built nearly anywhere, even deserts, far from population centres? Do you actually know what fully passive shutdown means, because you don't seem to understand the concept at all? You're like a first world war general attempting to use cavalry in WW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Holy shit, molten salt reactors can use spent fuel, how many times do you have to be told that? Anyway, China, India and Canada will move ahead developing SMR technologies. You're just being a dinosaur Mott, renewables are far too flakey doesn't the disaster of the Energiewende in Germany even cause you to think again? You might also tell me how a reactor buried 30 metres below grade cannot be totally safe. You're totally blinkered as far as I am concerned fortunately people like Bill Gates totally disagree with you. Molten Salt technology is not even new, they had a working reactor at Oak Ridge in the 60s. Can you tell me why you are so set against reactors which can be built nearly anywhere, even deserts far from population centres? Do you actually understand what fully passive shutdown means, because you don't seem to understand the concept at all? You're like a first world war general attempting to use cavalry in WW2.
    I'll ask you some questions Mott, but I doubt you'll answer. Do you think a company with the prestige of Rolls Royce would be involved with unsafe technology? They have been building SMR reactors for submarines for many decades. Ever heard of one blowing up?

    https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovati....aspx#overview

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Had California and Germany invested $680 billion into new nuclear power plants instead of renewables like solar and wind farms, the two would already be generating 100% or more of their electricity from clean (low-emissions) energy sources, according to a new analysis by Environmental Progress.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#26098db9e0d4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Brilliant idea Tom. Build nuclear plants on the most earthquake prone part of the country. What could possibly go wrong?
    California has never had a nuclear accident. Six plants were accident free and no one was ever hurt or damaged as a result of any earthquakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Calling nuclear reactors "clean" is either ignorant or treacherous.
    You can call nuclear waste "clean" all you like.
    But lethal waste that remains dangerous for 5,000 years may be worse than "dirty".

    How much Plutonium do wind-turbines and photo-voltaic panels produce?

    So what's your objection to solar panels? They're a prominent feature of the ISS. I haven't noticed a lot of protests up there about them.
    Hey snowflake; do you think batteries are clean? Do you think the plastics in solar panels are clean? Where in the hell do you morons on the left come up with this shit. Those batteries in your clean cars are more toxic than anything a combustion engine could spew out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Tom despite the considerable advances in safety in nuclear technology you’re still glossing over the considerable and very real health and safety risks still associated with nuclear technology, nor the security risks and you didn’t even address the huge problems of solid waste disposal of both HLW and LLW.

    You’re bias against renewables is funny. Yes you have some legitimate criticisms but that’s an absurd reason to not develop these technologies and the notion your trying to present that nuclear is a perfectly safe, clean and cost affective alternative is also absurd.
    There are no health risks associated with batteries? Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrippyHippy View Post
    No, they made the right bet on renewable energy. Germany produced so much energy that electricity prices dropped below zero, meaning customers were essentially paid to use electricity. And California is producing so much from solar their electrical grid literally can't handle it. The arguments about the efficacy of renewable energies are unfounded.

    Meanwhile, it's still not safe to live anywhere near Fukishima or Chernobyl.
    LINK please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Had California and Germany invested $680 billion into new nuclear power plants instead of renewables like solar and wind farms, the two would already be generating 100% or more of their electricity from clean (low-emissions) energy sources, according to a new analysis by Environmental Progress.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#26098db9e0d4
    I can see a strong argument for nuclear, but there's also an argument against it. Even if it's irrational, there's huge opposition to building nuclear plants. So, as a practical matter, it's not at all clear that California or Germany could have scaled up nuclear the way they have solar, even if the leaders had been pushing hard in that direction. You can add a bunch of new solar generation practically overnight, whereas with nuclear you get caught in permitting hell for years or even decades. And then the safety requirements wind up so onerous that the actual cost per unit of energy winds up much higher than solar. That can be faulted as overkill, but it's the reality of the political landscape. So, it becomes a choice between adding a whole lot of solar generation quickly, here in the real world, and only adding a pittance of nuclear energy in the same time, as you try to clear one hurdle after another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Thanks. And, no I didn't.
    I've always been under the impression that Nuclear Reactors are only good for 30 or so years and then they are too radioactive for further use. And the radioactive material is dangerous for the next 10,000 years.
    You may find this interesting, Jack


    " ... Many of these plants, though, will likely keep operating, thanks to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s practice of granting new licenses to plants that have outlived their original operating licenses. Most of the 100 nuclear plants now generating power in the U.S. were originally licensed for 35 to 40 years of operation; now the NRC is issuing new permits, in 20-year increments, that will allow them to keep running for 60 or even 80 years. Eighty reactors (many plants comprise more than one reactor) have already had their licenses renewed, and many of the remaining ones are likely to come up for renewal in the next decade.

    Operating aging nuclear plants far beyond their original design lifetimes raises the specter of system failures, leaks, and accidents. Environmental groups, for example, have opposed a license extension for the Davis-Besse station, a nuclear plant operated by utility FirstEnergy in northern Ohio, because of extensive cracking in the exterior of the plant’s containment building. FirstEnergy “should retire Davis-Besse as planned,” Pat Marida of the Ohio Sierra Club’s Nuclear-Free Committee told reporters in September, “on Earth Day, 2017, rather than continuing to play radioactive Russian roulette on the Lake Erie shore for 20 more years.”

    Last year the commissioners rejected a recommendation from their own technical staff that the existing rules for relicensing should be revised to reflect increased concerns around going from 60 years to 80. The ruling cleared the way for companies to apply for a second renewal of operating licenses under the existing regulatory scheme. ... "

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...clear-reactor/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Had California and Germany invested $680 billion into new nuclear power plants instead of renewables like solar and wind farms, the two would already be generating 100% or more of their electricity from clean (low-emissions) energy sources, according to a new analysis by Environmental Progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Had California and Germany invested $680 billion into new nuclear power plants instead of renewables like solar and wind farms, the two would already be generating 100% or more of their electricity from clean (low-emissions) energy sources, according to a new analysis by Environmental Progress.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#26098db9e0d4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    You may find this interesting, Jack


    " ... Many of these plants, though, will likely keep operating, thanks to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s practice of granting new licenses to plants that have outlived their original operating licenses. Most of the 100 nuclear plants now generating power in the U.S. were originally licensed for 35 to 40 years of operation; now the NRC is issuing new permits, in 20-year increments, that will allow them to keep running for 60 or even 80 years. Eighty reactors (many plants comprise more than one reactor) have already had their licenses renewed, and many of the remaining ones are likely to come up for renewal in the next decade.

    Operating aging nuclear plants far beyond their original design lifetimes raises the specter of system failures, leaks, and accidents. Environmental groups, for example, have opposed a license extension for the Davis-Besse station, a nuclear plant operated by utility FirstEnergy in northern Ohio, because of extensive cracking in the exterior of the plant’s containment building. FirstEnergy “should retire Davis-Besse as planned,” Pat Marida of the Ohio Sierra Club’s Nuclear-Free Committee told reporters in September, “on Earth Day, 2017, rather than continuing to play radioactive Russian roulette on the Lake Erie shore for 20 more years.”

    Last year the commissioners rejected a recommendation from their own technical staff that the existing rules for relicensing should be revised to reflect increased concerns around going from 60 years to 80. The ruling cleared the way for companies to apply for a second renewal of operating licenses under the existing regulatory scheme. ... "

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...clear-reactor/
    Thanks, Bigdog.
    "... because of extensive cracking in the exterior of the plant’s containment building."
    Hmmmm, ... may have to rename the 'Containment building'.

    I wonder how the Plant Workers feel? I know they all wear Badges that detect radiation, but I wonder what the cumulitive effect is?

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    Good lord; you can't be this stupid. Germany's energy nedds aren't being met by clean energy. They try to get rid of it when energy demands go down because there is no way to STORE the energy being created by these so-called "green" plants. It isn't because they produce too much. Dolt.

    Most of Germany's energy needs are met by importing it, coal which is the largest source and nuclear.

    Same with California you idiot. The notion that wind and solar can provide the hundreds of thousands of megawatts necessary to power Germany and California are laughably stupid.
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