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    "actually that isn't true.......every grand jury has exactly the same power as any other...." PP #25
    Within a fixed jurisdiction, each grand jury may have the same authority. But the same "power"?

    If power is quantified by potential impact:

    - a grand jury deciding a case of a burglary suspect is potentially less impactful than

    - a grand jury deciding a case involving a high government official, and or a far reaching precedent setting case.
    "...their powers are outlined by statute and everyone knows what they are........ " PP #25
    Cl #25, the poster you're ostensibly correcting apparently didn't.

    I appreciate efforts made to clarify & correct.

    But an incorrect correction is an exercise in nit wittery *.

    * Former FBI Agent G. Gordon Liddy used this term on his radio program, and may have coined it.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    PS

    IS #30

    I don't know Mueller.
    But based on his reputation, and tea-leaf indications like an impressive absence of leaks (indicating a disciplined, methodical investigation),
    and based upon what an ultra-flake President Trump is, it's difficult for me to imagine Trump hasn't erred.

    Let justice be done.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but if the Watergate lawyers and many federal prosecutors say he can't, I'm not full of shit, perhaps you are!!
    You are most definitely full of shit and obviously watch too much BS on MSNBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    None needed, you are never right.
    I'm never right and yet 30+ people are indicted with well over 100 charges, 4-5 facing jail time or having served and those who have flipped of the HIGHEST 4 PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. And STONE is up next for the Mueller 'treatment'.

    Do Trump batshit STOOPID cultists--or are you clinically obtuse--realize the ONLY PEOPLE LEFT, AFTER STONE, ARE HIS KID AND TRUMP??

    Mueller is one smart MF'R!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I wonder if most people realize this. Trump CAN'T pardon Manafort if Trump or Jared, Guiliani, Sessions, et. al. knew about ANY collusion from his campaign with any Russian? Should he, it's instant grounds for IMPEACHMENT.
    plus Trump can't pardon anyone for State crimes, as in NY and VA

    Mueller is sharing his mountain of evidence with the AG's in those states..........checkmate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I wonder if most people realize this. Trump CAN'T pardon Manafort if Trump or Jared, Guiliani, Sessions, et. al. knew about ANY collusion from his campaign with any Russian? Should he, it's instant grounds for IMPEACHMENT.
    Trump can certainly pardon Manafort. Impeachment is merely a political tool, and can be used however Congress sees fit, which would include impeaching a president for abusing the power of the pardon.

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    "Trump can certainly pardon Manafort. Impeachment is merely a political tool, and can be used however Congress sees fit, which would include impeaching a president for abusing the power of the pardon." T #36
    You haven't asserted otherwise, but there is no numerical limit on the number of pardons a president can issue.

    iirc President Carter pardoned Vietnam War draft dodgers, including my cowardly brother in law.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I'm never right and yet 30+ people are indicted with well over 100 charges, 4-5 facing jail time or having served and those who have flipped of the HIGHEST 4 PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. And STONE is up next for the Mueller 'treatment'.

    Do Trump batshit STOOPID cultists--or are you clinically obtuse--realize the ONLY PEOPLE LEFT, AFTER STONE, ARE HIS KID AND TRUMP??

    Mueller is one smart MF'R!!!!
    Yup...and I suspect Jr. gets indicted on something.

    Sr. is stupid...and Jr. is every bit as stupid.

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    I don't know if pardoning him from crimes would negate the plea bargain that forces him to testify and supply evidence at all trials and hearings that the Mueller and other courts ask. He has agreed to the terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post

    Cl #25, the poster you're ostensibly correcting apparently didn't.
    some of you are idiots.....for example, you've been here two years and you still haven't figured out how to quote people.......

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    WOW!!! I haven't seen such ignorance gone to seed since somebody invented political correctness or a round circle. In the first place, Trump doesn't owe Manafort a pardon or anything else. Manafort's crimes happened long before Trump entered politics and have nothing to do with the 2016 election. They are trying to blackmail Manafort and force him to lie about something he has no knowledge of nor is implicated in happening. He was only associated with the Trump and the Trump campaign for a few weeks. He was summarily fired as soon as Trump had his first intelligence briefing... What is he supposed to do? Life in prison, or sign the confession as POW's were forced to do.

    Instead of spitting on the flag, dissing the country, our veterans, and our patriots... you guys need to be on your knees thanking God that there was a single person on earth that could keep the Clinton Cartel from owning America. I wouldn't care if that person was Daffy Duck as long as the world was saved from total disaster.

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    PP #40



    #41

    a) I like your pseud, & assume it's inspired by Gunsmoke.
    "In the first place, Trump doesn't owe Manafort a pardon or anything else." F #41
    "Doesn't owe" on basis of ethic?!
    It's laughable that you'd insinuate President Trump would be motivated by ethic.

    Trump's incentive to pardon Manafort is to demonstrate by deed rather than word that Trump will defend those that work for him.

    Manafort was an effective advocate for candidate Trump.
    Manafort worked for Trump.
    For Trump to then turn his back on Manafort when Trump could so effortlessly help Manafort would be a gargantuan red flag to all those that serve Trump:

    - Trump gets his, and you get

    - slip dickery.

    I bet every Democrat ever born hopes Trump does NOT intervene on Manafort's behalf.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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