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Thread: The Good Old Days Of America's Healthcare System, Bring It Back

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    Let's return to the days,Chester Good,helps you up the stairs to Old Doc Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    If the government controls your healthcare, they control you. Think about that.
    The government IS me, partially.
    I have a vote in the government.
    I have no vote in the insurance company boardrooms.

    The only people in charge of their own healthcare are those people who can pull out their checkbooks and pay huge, six-figure medical bills on their own.

    If this is you, G, congrats. It's certainly not very many people.

    That's why the entire civilized world has settled on socialized medicine.
    It's also why we're not part of the civilized world.
    Even less so right now.

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    FDR TRIED TO create a medical insurance program, no one was laughing, people wanted it, its always been needed and the medical lobby has blocked it, you think we are the only nation in the developed world with no comprehensive system because it works? no everyone agrees it is a crime, a recent poll in canada asked which system they would prefer over 90% said their universal single payer system, youve been brain washed people go broke if they get cancer or some catestrophic illness ask old people if they want to get rid of medicare none will say they do, were you even alive in the 30s 40s and 50s by the wat those were new deal years there were medical programs back then National Health Insurance and the New Deal
    President Roosevelt continued to support national health reform throughout his terms. His second push for
    national health insurance came after the Social Security Act passed. However, the momentum from FDR’s
    Technical Committee on Medical Care and a National Health Conference were not enough to overcome a
    Congress that was no longer supportive of further government expansions.

    1954
    President Eisenhower proposes a federal reinsurance
    fund to enable private insurers to broaden the
    groups of people they would cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    America’s healthcare during my boyhood and early adulthood, (late 30's, 40's and early 50's) was never a political issue. It’s documented that Harry Truman once tried to introduce a federal government healthcare plan and I think he was laughed out of the Oval Office. I don’t remember healthcare being an issue until the feds got involved with Medicare in like the 60's sometime I think. From my experience America’s healthcare has been going downhill ever since. Seems the more the feds mess with it the more costly and more people , not fewer people can’t get healthcare except by emergency room care.

    I remember when doctors and hospitals had low cost and no cost clinics the doctors donated time to and the hospitals donated facilities and equipment and private charities donated money and other services to the poor and folks of meager means.

    I remember when almost every employer could easily afford health insurance for their employees and plans where whole families could go to the doctor and or the hospitals and pay next to nothing for care. Most plans even offered dental and visual coverage.

    I think America should get the feds out of the healthcare and health insurance business and encourage the people and the states to go back to the good old days in American healthcare.
    I think you'd do better to work out how ordinary people did back then, check out how they manage now when Americans pay pretty well twice as much for a very inadequate service, look at why the rest of the civilized world does so much better and then get yourself a proper NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    the average lifespan was 65 you moron.
    And medical science has advanced, your point is?
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason Michaels View Post
    You're a moron,stuck in the 50's
    How brilliant! You must have stayed up all night to compose that well thought out reply, huh?

    Any child can call names, it takes folks with maturity and intellect to create rational and valued debate.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    How brilliant! You must have stayed up all night to compose that well thought out reply, huh?

    Any child can call names, it takes folks with maturity and intellect to create rational and valued debate.
    "Hey Wally,Eddie Haskell grabbed my nut sack"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
    You've identified inflation and medical science advancement, you've failed in my opinion to articulate how and why the old system before the feds meddled would not be better than what we have today or better than a single payer waiting list.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
    How many people today in single payer systems never get to see a critical operation that would prolong their life? Ho's that better than being sent home to die? Being sent home to die means at least you got an opinion. Medical science has advanced, fewer people get sent home to die. I'd argue that more people die in single payer systems because they never even got an opinion on their condition on a waiting list.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    And medical science has advanced, your point is?

    you arent smart enough to figure it out are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I remember when a phone call cost ten cents and party lines existed, should we return to those days? What was the average life expectancy of the 1950's compared to today?

    Health care wasn't even close to being as efficient, and more so, widespread, than it is today. What you are falling prey to is pure nostalgia, fortunately, life moves on
    you shouldn't always throw the baby out with the bath water, but in this case, the mistakes were made long ago

    http://themisescircle.org/features/g...h-care-crisis/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    our system is at the bottom of industrial nations. that is because a huge part of our health care money goes to profits and execs. healthcare should not be a for-profit enterprise. that guarantees that a huge part of our care cost goes to proifits and funnels up to the wealthy.
    This thread isn't about support for our present system, it's suggesting a better system that was, once upon a time.

    You can trust the ratings of healthcare systems worldwide if you want. I think they're compiled by biased socialist thinkers making "pie-in-the-sky" claims about single payer systems ignoring their negatives and purposely down grading capitalistic systems.

    "For profit" capitalism has always proven to be better than any government system in the long run. Eventually governments always run out of "other people's" money.
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post


    Single payer systems have millions of people on waiting list with pre-existing illnesses. They don't get care either! Have you made a toon about that yet?
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The government IS me, partially.
    I have a vote in the government.
    I have no vote in the insurance company boardrooms.

    The only people in charge of their own healthcare are those people who can pull out their checkbooks and pay huge, six-figure medical bills on their own.

    If this is you, G, congrats. It's certainly not very many people.

    That's why the entire civilized world has settled on socialized medicine.
    It's also why we're not part of the civilized world.
    Even less so right now.
    Well since y'all want to make this thread all about America's SUCK present system, for lack of rational responses to the original OP proposition of a better system, I'll play that silly game also.

    Maybe what's wrong with today's American system is because Democrats & Republicans in federal offices are owned and operated by BIG Phrma lobbyist and that's why drug cost so much in America. Maybe it's because BIG government in Washington and the States have dictated what level of "one-size-fits-all insurance has to be sold in the states and nothing else can be bought or sold and bought across state lines. Maybe it's because BIG government D's & R's are owned and operated by BIG law firm corporations and they won't do anything about the cost of Medical malpractice insurance. Maybe America's healthcare sucks because BIG government has meddled in it, socialized much of it and our governments state and federal are operated on BIG MONEY special interest bribery loot? What's your response to that?
    "Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The bigger the government, the greater the force and the greater the corruption."

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