The Good Old Days Of America's Healthcare System, Bring It Back

[Robo]

FDR TRIED TO create a medical insurance program, no one was laughing, people wanted it, its always been needed and the medical lobby has blocked it, you think we are the only nation in the developed world with no comprehensive system because it works? no everyone agrees it is a crime, a recent poll in canada asked which system they would prefer over 90% said their universal single payer system, youve been brain washed people go broke if they get cancer or some catestrophic illness ask old people if they want to get rid of medicare none will say they do, were you even alive in the 30s 40s and 50s by the wat those were new deal years there were medical programs back then National Health Insurance and the New Deal
President Roosevelt continued to support national health reform throughout his terms. His second push for
national health insurance came after the Social Security Act passed. However, the momentum from FDR’s
Technical Committee on Medical Care and a National Health Conference were not enough to overcome a
Congress that was no longer supportive of further government expansions.

1954
President Eisenhower proposes a federal reinsurance
fund to enable private insurers to broaden the
groups of people they would cover

Maybe since you're so versed in America's healthcare history you can point to the constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in America's healthcare?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

[Robo]

you arent smart enough to figure it out are you.

I've figured it out it's you who haven't!

[evince]

And medical science has advanced, your point is?

then we cant go back to the days of the town Dr huh


we can go back to dying much younger

that is what you idiots are asking us to do


the people say no thanks and have said no thanks for years now


So the republican party cheats in elections to protect medical insurance Companies profits

Once you assholes cant STEAL elections we will get universal care

[evince]

Maybe since you're so versed in America's healthcare history you can point to the constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in America's healthcare?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

general welfare

[evince]

there in fact is a socialistic program written right into the constitution by the founders themselves

the post office


the founders showed themselves that the constitution allows for such programs

[Boris The Animal]

of course, we do. It is a huge program.

We do not need government run healthcare. Especially considering it delivers shitty care and say buh bye to any new research and innovations, asshole!

[Boris The Animal]

general welfare

Hey shit for brains, IT DOES NOT MEAN THE GOVERNMENT IS TO TAKE CARE OF US FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE,

YOU GOT THAT YOU LYING CUNT?!?!?!?!?!

[NiftyNiblick]

What's your response to that?

Comparing Democrats to Republicans is a false equivalency, but fear not.

The traditional centrist Democrats are going down.

You certainly won't mistake the new social Democrats as Republicans-Lite.

[Nordberg]

We do not need government run healthcare. Especially considering it delivers shitty care and say buh bye to any new research and innovations, asshole!

Better care. cheaper and covers everyone. A profit making healthcare system will reward the greedy. they will take money out of the sick and injured for fun and profit. Desperate people will pay whatever they have to to survive. When they recover, they are broke and maybe homeless. But at least insurance companies will get richer and richer. In the last 15 years, healthcare costs have gone up over 220 percent. that corrected for inflation. we are being looted.

[Wilhelm Zenz]

But it doesn't mean we have to use big government cookie cutter approaches either.

i wish you engage in an assiciation fallacy your argument if one can call it that is invalid

[Wilhelm Zenz]

Since FDR they had tried to create a Medical program for americans, our system has always been lacking, and that is proof, the ama stops progress

[Robo]

general welfare

“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” (James Madison)

To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, “to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.” For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase, not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please, which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless.
1. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. (Thomas Jefferson)

[Nordberg]

Good argument. the national government should qualify teachers and nationally judge curricula. Lots of jobs are national or international in nature and it is good to have the same educational systems in every state. You should be able to move to another state and have similar educational experiences.
And that argument about sole decisions is poor. the national government is not a person, but a collection of seemingly expert people trying to elevate education. You can also argue that by voting for these people, the American population is involved . they too are part of the decision making process.

[Boris The Animal]

Better care. cheaper and covers everyone. A profit making healthcare system will reward the greedy. they will take money out of the sick and injured for fun and profit. Desperate people will pay whatever they have to to survive. When they recover, they are broke and maybe homeless. But at least insurance companies will get richer and richer. In the last 15 years, healthcare costs have gone up over 220 percent. that corrected for inflation. we are being looted.

No, government run healthcare where everything is nationalized, like you want, delivers substandard shit quality and say buh bye to any new innovations because they won't be allowed in your "Brave New World".

[Nordberg]

No, government run healthcare where everything is nationalized, like you want, delivers substandard shit quality and say buh bye to any new innovations because they won't be allowed in your "Brave New World".

Wrong again, or is it still. the US is at the bottom of healthcare ratings in industrialized nations, dead bottom. By any measurements, they get better health care than we do and better results. And much, much cheaper. When taiwan was going to install a national heath care system, they visited the US to see what they should NOt do.

It is time for the us to nationalize healthcare and save poor disgruntled taxpayers like you a lot of money and provide better healthcare. You will thank us.

then we can nationalize banks.