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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Very simple...

    He wanted to see how his first trial went. He probably thought there was a 50/50 chance or better of acquittal, so why spill all his beans right up front? He's likely saving the really valuable stuff until it becomes a last resort. Which is what it's probably becoming right around now.
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    So when I said, "...you think tax evaders are heroes?"...you are saying I was correct.
    Yes, you are correct
    And when I said, "...you do not mind stealing...so long as the theft is from banks and the IRS?"...you are saying I was correct.
    I didn't say I condone "stealing" from banks, and that's not what he's accused of. He's accused of LYING to banks to obtain loans, and tax evasion. You can't "steal" from the IRS, they steal from you
    Ummm...lemme repeat then: You are one very sick individual.
    And let me remind you, in the days of the soviet union, if you disagreed with the government or it's policies, they frequently accused you of being mentally ill and they would institutionalize you. You must remember those days with a certain fondness, right comrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    That makes absolutely ZERO sense

    First of all, why would you implement that strategy when it is no better than a coin flip? Would you?

    You are saying that he would gamble on a 50:50 proposition instead of taking a 100% chance of saving his wealth and no jail time? I don't buy it.

    I think you are about to be massively disappointed. But, don't worry, I don't expect you to disabuse yourself of the notion that there was RUSSIAN COLLUSION. Your entire 2016 existence is wrapped up in it. You have to believe it. To do otherwise would force you to rethink the entire election. You are incapable of that

    BTW Manafort isn't making a plea on any issues of collusion or conspiracy.
    You're just assuming that had he made a deal up front he would've saved all his wealth and gotten zero jail time. And it's very likely an INCORRECT assumption, too.

    Any deal he would've gotten by pleading guilty from the beginning would've almost certainly involved asset forfeiture, disclosure of all foreign assets and bank accounts, and spending a certain amount of time in prison.

    Of course he's going to take his chances going to trial. If he got acquitted, he would've walked away scot free, owing only his legal bills, but free to go back to Russia and make more millions working for Putin some more.

    Now that he's a convicted felon, he knows he still has all those aces up his sleeve to deal his way out.

    As far as which issues he's making a plea deal on, the subject of the charges against him have nothing to do with the subject of the information he's giving Mueller. He could very well be giving info on collusion and conspiracy by the Trump campaign in exchange for sentencing leniency on his financial convictions.

    But time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    omg ^^^^^ Sherlock has figured it all out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    You're just assuming that had he made a deal up front he would've saved all his wealth and gotten zero jail time. And it's very likely an INCORRECT assumption, too.

    Any deal he would've gotten by pleading guilty from the beginning would've almost certainly involved asset forfeiture, disclosure of all foreign assets and bank accounts, and spending a certain amount of time in prison.

    Of course he's going to take his chances going to trial. If he got acquitted, he would've walked away scot free, owing only his legal bills, but free to go back to Russia and make more millions working for Putin some more.

    Now that he's a convicted felon, he knows he still has all those aces up his sleeve to deal his way out.

    As far as which issues he's making a plea deal on, the subject of the charges against him have nothing to do with the subject of the information he's giving Mueller. He could very well be giving info on collusion and conspiracy by the Trump campaign in exchange for sentencing leniency on his financial convictions.

    But time will tell.
    The bolded sentence makes ZERO legal sense at all. If Manafort is going to give information on Trump related to collusion/conspiracy then in order for it to have weight, he himself would have to be charged with it.

    My guess is that in Manafort's plea they will say "in exchange for cooperation" but won't say what he is cooperating on and it will send you into orgasmic glee.

    If Mueller had something something on collusion/conspiracy, he would have dropped the hammer before now. Imagine how devastating it would have been heading into the midterms?

    Mueller has a shit sandwich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    No collusion!
    No collusion!
    No collusion!
    No collusion!
    No collusion!
    No collusion!

    Then...
    Manafort gets pre-trial disclosures including everything Rich Gates has told Manafort, Trump gets that info via a Defense agreement...

    Collusion is not a crime!
    Collusion is not a crime!
    Collusion is not a crime!
    This thread is confounding and ever increasing confusion
    Even so, Come, Lord Jesus
    I do not participate in delusion count me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    You want him to sing what exactly?

    Even if he says he knows something, there has to be some other corroborating evidence. It can't just be his word. You know that right?

    And the question I will keep asking, but none of you can seem to answer is this.

    If Paul Manafort really knew something worth saying why didn't he already give it up to Mueller a year ago? Why did he go through all of this? You can't believe that he is that loyal to Trump? And don't say he thought Trump would pardon him. That is a bogus answer.

    By flipping sooner he could have gotten more than any pardon could bring.

    If he really had something of substance:

    1) He could have made all of these charges go away from day one.
    2) He would have been lauded a hero by the left.
    3) He would have been a regular on the CNN, MSNBC circuit making millions.
    4) He could have written a book
    5) He could have avoided the lengthy trial
    6) He could have avoided paying all of those legal fees

    But he didn't do that did he? Why if he supposedly has dirt like you think he does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iewitness View Post
    This thread is confounding and ever increasing confusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    The bolded sentence makes ZERO legal sense at all. If Manafort is going to give information on Trump related to collusion/conspiracy then in order for it to have weight, he himself would have to be charged with it.

    My guess is that in Manafort's plea they will say "in exchange for cooperation" but won't say what he is cooperating on and it will send you into orgasmic glee.

    If Mueller had something something on collusion/conspiracy, he would have dropped the hammer before now. Imagine how devastating it would have been heading into the midterms?

    Mueller has a shit sandwich
    Half-assed assumptions seem to be your forte.

    If Manafort is in possession of irrefutable evidence of collusion and conspiracy by the Trump campaign he does not have to be charged with it himself. The evidence would be what it is and would be judged by it's own weight.

    And you're talking as if the election is already over. Remember, the Comey letter which sank Clinton and handed the election to Trumptard, came only eleven days prior to the 2016 election.

    Mueller could drop a bomb a week before Halloween and it would have a stronger effect on the election outcome than if he'd dropped it months ago.

    Plus, you're assuming that Mueller's goal is political rather than legal, another bullshit right-wing propaganda position.

    Your desperation is obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Half-assed assumptions seem to be your forte.

    If Manafort is in possession of irrefutable evidence of collusion and conspiracy by the Trump campaign he does not have to be charged with it himself. The evidence would be what it is and would be judged by it's own weight.

    And you're talking as if the election is already over. Remember, the Comey letter which sank Clinton and handed the election to Trumptard, came only eleven days prior to the 2016 election.

    Mueller could drop a bomb a week before Halloween and it would have a stronger effect on the election outcome than if he'd dropped it months ago.

    Plus, you're assuming that Mueller's goal is political rather than legal, another bullshit right-wing propaganda position.

    Your desperation is obvious.
    Why isn't Comey being investigated?

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    Hello callinectes,

    Quote Originally Posted by callinectes View Post
    I can't wait for Trump to pardon Manafort
    That would be sweet. Like stomping on the impeachment accelerator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    Why isn't Comey being investigated?
    Uhhhhh..... he committed no crime?

    Duhhhh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Uhhhhh..... he committed no crime?

    Duhhhh.
    How do you know?

    Don't we need to investigate to find out?

    At least that is the standard that has been used for President Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon Don View Post
    How do you know?

    Don't we need to investigate to find out?

    At least that is the standard that has been used for President Trump
    Dude, quit being a "moran".

    There has to be credible evidence up font of criminal activity to start an investigation.

    There was more than enough credible evidence of a link between the Trump campaign and the Russians to start an investigation.

    There is zero evidence that James Comey did anything illegal.

    Questionable judgement, maybe.

    Illegal, no.
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