We need Socialism. Socialism Is A Good Thing. Socialism Promotes The General Welfare.

[evince]

-in bold-
I really struggle with that phrase. My wife says it all the time. I... know where it comes from.
I don't like the phrase. It's monopoly capitalism, not unfettered, that's just avoidance. Get old school and call it what it is.,monopoly. It may be known to you as a hasboro game but in reality it was and is a descriptor for an economic realty.

regulations


that is the fettering



IT works to tame capitalism from eating its self and giving us kings and queens for government


look it up

read about it in some economic writings

then thank your wife for being correct


without capitalism you cant have real freedom

[crowonapost]

regulations


that is the fettering



IT works to tame capitalism from eating its self and giving us kings and queens for government


look it up

read about it in some economic writings

then thank your wife for being correct


without capitalism you cant have real freedom

Thanks for your condescending attitude. I am well aware of all aspects of it.

Try reading the founding concept of capitalism, who brought up the concept, it's limits and one of the tenants he prescribed to insure it's ability to work well then we can have a snide little condescending talk with one another.

M'kay.

[crowonapost]

Hello and welcome to the discussion crowonapost,



That is the ideal all capitalists strive for. They want complete control over one or more markets for whatever product they sell. That's the holy grail. Like the big pharma greed where they get complete control over a single needed product and then raise the price 900%. Hey. If you don't like it, you don't have to pay. You do have another option. You can pay or you can die. They love it. That's their goal. To have you in such a position. Capitalism at it's most lucrative is death.

I know. I understand the nature of Monopoly Capitalism which is different from competitive free market capitalism. There was a founding concept that was posited with the creation of the industrial capitalist system and that was representative democracies.

[crowonapost]

"Monopoly" is a good word too. We don't seem to care much about mega-mergers and monopolies any more.

That being said, by "unfettered" we mean that capitalism has no rules to follow. No minimum wage. No restrictions on environmental damage caused in the course of doing business. No worker safety regulations. No unfair hiring practices laws. In other words, those who wish capitalism in the U.S. to remain unfettered want us to be like developing nations with none of these regulations that protect life, property, and the human beings employed in industry. That's why Dumpty is doing everything he can via EO to cut the fetters and go back to the bad old days where dumping coal ash into a river was how it was done, belching toxins into the air was no BFD, etc.

Yeah I get it. It used to be called the boogy word, 'REGULATION'
Que in scary music. lol

What has been lost in our culture is understanding that Monopolies are checked by democratically elected governments that by the will of the population enact regulations to limit the worst tendencies of capitalisms natural 'unfettered' tendencies.

[Minister of Truth]

There is a long standing Conservative Myth that we have to choose between socialism and capitalism. Some say socialism is like a cancerous disease that, once begun, grows and grows until it chokes capitalism to death and destroys the economy.

False and false.

Socialism is working very well in most industrialized nations. The USA is the only highly industrialized nation which does not have a socialist universal health care system.

We have had socialism in the USA for a long time now.

Even back when most Trump supporters would say 'America was great.' (the 1950's?)

We had social security and a minimum wage. Neither of those things is the result of capitalism.

The (socialism again) GI Bill saved millions of returning American vets from poverty. It allowed them to get an education, get a job, get a mortgage, get a home, and build wealth. (White Americans, anyway - blacks were redlined OUT of home ownership, the primary vehicle to wealth for most Americans.)

FDR: One of the greatest Presidents ever. He brought us through the big war, brought us socialism to save us from the ravages of Great Depression.

Socialism has lots of promises and benefits but socialism cannot be our only solution.

Capitalism is our primary wealth generator. Capitalism is a powerful engine of motivation and productivity.

How do we decide between the two?

That's a trick question.

We don't have to pick one.

We can have BOTH!

We already do.

The trick is to get the correct balance between the two. We just need the proper blend of capitalism and socialism. We can work jobs, pay into the system, and let the system take care of the needy. Everyone wins!

We need to be talking more and more about how socialism can work for us. We need to move beyond the limiting old Conservative Myths that are supporting the Class War and wealth extraction.

Corporations and the super-rich extract far more of our wealth than socialism. We need to face up to the facts here. The government doesn't want your money. The government uses the money it collects to do good, and always end up in the hole anyway. (because of the chintzy super-rich never want to pay enough taxes!) Corporations and the super-rich take your money and keep it for themselves. They take the government's money. They can't get enough. If you've got it, they want it. And they are very diabolical about getting what they want.

We need a socialist health care system. It is wrong for people to think of healing as a way to get rich. It is wrong for corporations to be making billions of dollars on the 'business' of providing health care. Health care in the USA should be a RIGHT. We can put a man on the moon; we can do this.

The capitalist model cannot work well for that because there is no way to have basic competition. Something happens and you're rushed off to the hospital, you don't spring up out of the gurney and say: "WAIT! I want to shop around and see which is the best deal in hospitals!" It's not like you're laying on the ground and waving off the first few EMT's because they charge too much. That's ridiculous. Who calls around to doctor offices for prices? "How much do you charge for treatment if I have a stroke?" No. That's ridiculous. Capitalism doesn't work for that.

We need Socialism in the USA.

You are not talking about socialism; you are talking about welfare statism and progressivism. Obviously, capitalism and socialism cannot co-exist at the same time.

[Phantasmal]

You are not talking about socialism; you are talking about welfare statism and progressivism. Obviously, capitalism and socialism cannot co-exist at the same time.

Actually, I think it is a blend that makes America great.

[Cypress]

We need a mixed economy, works best in all nations, the difficulties become determining which degree of capitalism and socialism blend the best

Republican politicians and message board posters have spent decades calling and disparaging Sweden, Norway, France, Denmark as "socialist" nations. So, unless they want to fess up to lying for decades, from the perspective of Republicans, Sweden represents socialism.

I happen to agree with you, and always have, that that a hybrid economy - a mix of regulated markets and a social welfare state - is unequivocally the preeminent and most egalitarian socio-economic achievement in human history.

"If anyone want to become a socialist in a hurry, he should come to the United States." - Maxim Gorky, 1906

[Adolf_Twitler]

I was going to "thank" that post...until the last line.

I'm 82...and fuck the "red scare."

Capitalism of the type we have...SCARES ME MORE.

Donald, the abomination, Trump...SCARES ME MORE.

Healthcare should indeed be taken out of the Capitalistic realm...and moved to a right.

Sufficient food for each individual should be move there next.

An education for every person who wants it...should also.

And, of course, there are others.

The basic needs of a decent life should be met for everyone...then the greedy can fight to get as much of the plenty that will be left.

People need to get "ism's" out of their head, and get their head out of their asses.

Just because the United States is a unique example of a Free Country and a symbol of freedom to the rest of the world, and we actually care about the welfare of all it's citizens, does not mean our government is some kind of a Socialist State.

What we truly are is a country where our markets are based on Free-Enterprise with Federally operated safety valves to help those in need of the essentials of life and well-being for all.

One thing for sure is, we are not a Plutocracy run by Plutocrats that only look out for themselves. We are better than that!

[Nordberg]

People need to get "ism's" out of their head, and get their head out of their asses.

Just because the United States is a unique example of a Free Country and a symbol of freedom to the rest of the world, and we actually care about the welfare of all it's citizens, does not mean our government is some kind of a Socialist State.

What we truly are is a country where our markets are based on Free-Enterprise with Federally operated safety valves to help those in need of the essentials of life and well-being for all.

One thing for sure is, we are not a Plutocracy run by Plutocrats that only look out for themselves. We are better than that!

No such thing as free enterprise. We placed our first tariff in1789. We have over 12,500 of them now. We have always been a nation that referees commerce. It is needed because the wealthy will confiscate all wealth and power that they can. Regulation protects the people from the ruthless and powerful. The cry to end regulation that the wealthy are using as a war cry, should scare you. Regulation is required in America. you should be asking for more.

[evince]

You are not talking about socialism; you are talking about welfare statism and progressivism. Obviously, capitalism and socialism cannot co-exist at the same time.

the founders wrote some right into our constitution

[Adolf_Twitler]

I don't think you and I are arguing about any of those things.

The thing is WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be the ones that set up the Trade Agreements, Regulations, and the things that are not always Free in Free Enterprise like the paying of Corporate or Business Income Taxes, or having to pay the minimum wage that we should also be determined by WE The People, and the many other costs that go along with doing business in America- not some DICK TATOR like Donald Ass Trump and his Base of Idiots, or some House Leader like Paul Ryan that is bought and paid for by the special interests who have hijacked our legislative process and calling all the shots.

In other words the Republicans have got to go! They can't be trusted! Between Donald Ass Trump, Paul Ryan, and Bitch McConnell, the power has been totally taken away from WE THE PEOPLE.

[Adolf_Twitler]

No such thing as free enterprise. We placed our first tariff in1789. We have over 12,500 of them now. We have always been a nation that referees commerce. It is needed because the wealthy will confiscate all wealth and power that they can. Regulation protects the people from the ruthless and powerful. The cry to end regulation that the wealthy are using as a war cry, should scare you. Regulation is required in America. you should be asking for more.

I don't think you and I are arguing about any of those things.

The thing is WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be the ones that set up the Trade Agreements, Regulations, and the things that are not always Free in Free Enterprise like the paying of Corporate or Business Income Taxes, or having to pay the minimum wage that should also be determined by WE The People, and the many other costs that go along with doing business in America- not some DICK TATOR like Donald Ass Trump and his Base of Idiots, or some House Leader like Paul Ryan that is bought and paid for by the special interests who have hijacked our legislative process and calling all the shots.

In other words the Republicans have got to go! They can't be trusted! Between Donald Ass Trump, Paul Ryan, and Bitch McConnell, the power has been totally taken away from WE THE PEOPLE.

[Minister of Truth]

the founders wrote some right into our constitution

Then why do commercial currier, mail, and delivery services exist?

[evince]

because a little socialism means you can still keep capitalism idiot


the founders created a blend

go read up on our history

[hvilleherb]

Just say no to socialism. There's a reason we fought against them in Vietnam.