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    Default Feinstein, Strzok, and the Sinister Russia Probe

    One of the salient facts to remember in the wake of the firing (finally!) of Peter Strzok is that the man was the chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI. That means the man in charge of counterespionage for the Unites States of America was conducting an extramarital affair with another important Justice Department employee via text messages that could easily have been hacked by a high school student.

    Roll that around in your mind for a moment. Can you think of anything dumber in the intelligence world? You don't have to have read any of a dozen John le Carré novels to understand how foolhardy it was, how it made Strzok subject to all sorts of skullduggery from foreign powers. No wonder it took them so long to fire him. There must have been a lot to investigate besides his ridiculously biased and jejune politics.

    Now roll back five years to when it was discovered that Dianne Feinstein's chauffeur of twenty years (!) was a spy for the People's Republic of China. (Well, five years for Dianne. The rest of us found out only last week.)

    How was it possible the then-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee was under such intimate covert surveillance by China for decades? Where was our counterespionage on that one? Not doing a lot of countering.

    Part of this can be explained by the greed of the Feinsteins, husband and wife, who during those years made millions off their business dealings with China, relations that made the couple easy prey for the ChiComs, but still one wonders about the blindness. If you believe our government's claim that the Chinese didn't get very much useful information over those twenty years, well, I have a Brooklyn Bridge to sell you -- and I'll throw in the Manhattan, Triborough and Verrazano into the bargain. That would make the Chinese as dumb as, well, Peter Strzok.

    It would be interesting to review Feinstein's comments during the Russia probe, given this revelation -- especially since, these days, as most would agree, China is a far more potent and ultimately more dangerous adversary than Russia. But more of that in a minute.

    These two events separated by just a few years demonstrate incompetence in the extreme. But they are far from alone. Michael Ledeen in an article at this site detailed a host of errors by our intelligence agencies over the years, from the complete misjudgment of the Soviet Union onward to missing 9/11, the Boston Marathon, etc.

    So what does that record of malfeasance add up to? What is its twisted progeny? What else but The Russia Probe itself?

    After decades of failure safely hidden by codes of bureaucratic silence, a new administration arrives -- or threatens to arrive -- with a wild card president. That immediately spells trouble for these intelligence bureaucracies. Indeed, it clearly spelled trouble before he arrived. They tried to head it off at the pass.

    How better then to distract from being investigated than to launch an investigation of the person (or persons) that would normally be investigating you. In that way they would be following the normal pattern of bureaucracies as detailed in Benda's The Treason of the Intellectuals, first failing and then protecting themselves through omertà. And our intelligence agencies are nothing if not bureaucracies, bloated ones at that.

    Until the Trump administration, no one cared, at least enough to do anything about it, not for a long time anyway. Remember, they had the likes of Dianne Feinstein overseeing their behavior, she of "Driving Miss Feinstein." Nothing to worry about there.

    So... a Russia Probe. How better, once again, for Brennan, Clapper, Comey, et al. to avoid being brought to justice or even being given much scrutiny for what they did? And they were doubtless aided and abetted by the previous administration, their willing collaborators and/or instigators.

    Separately or together they had the solution. Bring someone else far less criminal to the dock -- like Michael Flynn, who had had the temerity to criticize their beloved Iran Deal. Let that poor sucker take the heat. Put good old Strzok in there to sink him. Then accuse a president -- who, conveniently, has a tendency toward malapropisms -- of covering up whatever (it doesn't matter -- pick anything). With any luck they can nail that president for perjury or that most heinous of sins, lying to the FBI. He could be a second Martha Stewart. Then they're really off the hook. Rabid dogs of the press and the opposition party will demand impeachment. Again, it doesn't matter for what as long as it happens. Distraction is all.

    And lucky for them they have two functional eunuchs standing by, ever willing to protect the organization at the expense of the truth -- Christopher Wray and Jeff Sessions. People like that have the gift of convincing themselves that they are doing good when they are doing the opposite.

    Speaking of which, Inspector General Michael Horowitz is due for a report about all this. His first, about the Clinton email scandal, was a sophisticated whitewash. The second is about a subject yet more important -- the essence of the FBI itself. Will it be a second whitewash? If it is, as Jerry Garcia once said, "Trouble ahead, trouble behind..."
    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/fein...-russia-probe/

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    More conspiracy bullshit from space.

    Whatever happened to the blockbuster release of all the other bullshit you've posted .. like the stupid ass DUD known as the Stupid Ass Dud Nunes Memo .. and Russia and Clinton colluding to elect Trump? :0) Fucking mindless
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    More conspiracy bullshit from space.

    Whatever happened to the blockbuster release of all the other bullshit you've posted .. like the stupid ass DUD known as the Stupid Ass Dud Nunes Memo .. and Russia and Clinton colluding to elect Trump? :0) Fucking mindless
    FISA has been shown to have heavy reliance on Steele.. LMAO @ Clinton collusion.
    That hasn't been shown and I've never claimed it or even "Obama knew" - we can't see any evidence.

    The real joke is the 'sinister Russian /Trump collusion' -
    but the joke is on the American people for having to go thru this noise.
    No collusion / never was / silly people believe it though

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Bring someone else far less criminal to the dock -- like Michael Flynn, who had had the temerity to criticize their beloved Iran Deal. Let that poor sucker take the heat.
    Did you know that poor sucker Flynn, while serving on Trump's campaign team, was in discussion with Turklish officials to seize the fugitive Fethullah Gulen and rendition him to Turkey once Trump was in office? At that time, as well as being on Trump's team, poor Flynn was an unregistered (but highly paid) agent of a foreign power.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-cia-...u-s-1490380426

    But nothing came of it, so we don't need to go into that, do we?


    lucky for them they have two functional eunuchs standing by, ever willing to protect the organization at the expense of the truth -- Christopher Wray and Jeff Sessions.
    Both appointed by Trump. He only appoints the best people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    FISA has been shown to have heavy reliance on Steele.. LMAO @ Clinton collusion.
    That hasn't been shown and I've never claimed it or even "Obama knew" - we can't see any evidence.

    The real joke is the 'sinister Russian /Trump collusion' -
    but the joke is on the American people for having to go thru this noise.
    No collusion / never was / silly people believe it though
    You keep playing that same song while 35 indictments have piled up with Trump associates flipping like trained seals.

    Collusion is a layman's term for the legal term of CONSPIRACY .. which has unfolded right before our eyes.

    Stupid people can't see that.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Did you know that poor sucker Flynn, while serving on Trump's campaign team, was in discussion with Turklish officials to seize the fugitive Fethullah Gulen and rendition him to Turkey once Trump was in office? At that time, as well as being on Trump's team, poor Flynn was an unregistered (but highly paid) agent of a foreign power.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-cia-...u-s-1490380426

    But nothing came of it, so we don't need to go into that, do we?




    Both appointed by Trump. He only appoints the best people!
    ou might have something. it's a minor thing -before Manafort very little prosecution .
    You surely don't have russian colusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    You keep playing that same song while 35 indictments have piled up with Trump associates flipping like trained seals.

    Collusion is a layman's term for the legal term of CONSPIRACY .. which has unfolded right before our eyes.

    Stupid people can't see that.
    against Trump associates? so you are including the Internet Research agency as "Trump associates"?..talk about stupid.

    aside from da Russians the rest are process crimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    One of the salient facts to remember in the wake of the firing (finally!) of Peter Strzok is that the man was the chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI. That means the man in charge of counterespionage for the Unites States of America was conducting an extramarital affair with another important Justice Department employee via text messages that could easily have been hacked by a high school student.

    Roll that around in your mind for a moment. Can you think of anything dumber in the intelligence world? You don't have to have read any of a dozen John le Carré novels to understand how foolhardy it was, how it made Strzok subject to all sorts of skullduggery from foreign powers. No wonder it took them so long to fire him. There must have been a lot to investigate besides his ridiculously biased and jejune politics.

    Now roll back five years to when it was discovered that Dianne Feinstein's chauffeur of twenty years (!) was a spy for the People's Republic of China. (Well, five years for Dianne. The rest of us found out only last week.)

    How was it possible the then-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee was under such intimate covert surveillance by China for decades? Where was our counterespionage on that one? Not doing a lot of countering.

    Part of this can be explained by the greed of the Feinsteins, husband and wife, who during those years made millions off their business dealings with China, relations that made the couple easy prey for the ChiComs, but still one wonders about the blindness. If you believe our government's claim that the Chinese didn't get very much useful information over those twenty years, well, I have a Brooklyn Bridge to sell you -- and I'll throw in the Manhattan, Triborough and Verrazano into the bargain. That would make the Chinese as dumb as, well, Peter Strzok.

    It would be interesting to review Feinstein's comments during the Russia probe, given this revelation -- especially since, these days, as most would agree, China is a far more potent and ultimately more dangerous adversary than Russia. But more of that in a minute.

    These two events separated by just a few years demonstrate incompetence in the extreme. But they are far from alone. Michael Ledeen in an article at this site detailed a host of errors by our intelligence agencies over the years, from the complete misjudgment of the Soviet Union onward to missing 9/11, the Boston Marathon, etc.

    So what does that record of malfeasance add up to? What is its twisted progeny? What else but The Russia Probe itself?

    After decades of failure safely hidden by codes of bureaucratic silence, a new administration arrives -- or threatens to arrive -- with a wild card president. That immediately spells trouble for these intelligence bureaucracies. Indeed, it clearly spelled trouble before he arrived. They tried to head it off at the pass.

    How better then to distract from being investigated than to launch an investigation of the person (or persons) that would normally be investigating you. In that way they would be following the normal pattern of bureaucracies as detailed in Benda's The Treason of the Intellectuals, first failing and then protecting themselves through omertà. And our intelligence agencies are nothing if not bureaucracies, bloated ones at that.

    Until the Trump administration, no one cared, at least enough to do anything about it, not for a long time anyway. Remember, they had the likes of Dianne Feinstein overseeing their behavior, she of "Driving Miss Feinstein." Nothing to worry about there.

    So... a Russia Probe. How better, once again, for Brennan, Clapper, Comey, et al. to avoid being brought to justice or even being given much scrutiny for what they did? And they were doubtless aided and abetted by the previous administration, their willing collaborators and/or instigators.

    Separately or together they had the solution. Bring someone else far less criminal to the dock -- like Michael Flynn, who had had the temerity to criticize their beloved Iran Deal. Let that poor sucker take the heat. Put good old Strzok in there to sink him. Then accuse a president -- who, conveniently, has a tendency toward malapropisms -- of covering up whatever (it doesn't matter -- pick anything). With any luck they can nail that president for perjury or that most heinous of sins, lying to the FBI. He could be a second Martha Stewart. Then they're really off the hook. Rabid dogs of the press and the opposition party will demand impeachment. Again, it doesn't matter for what as long as it happens. Distraction is all.

    And lucky for them they have two functional eunuchs standing by, ever willing to protect the organization at the expense of the truth -- Christopher Wray and Jeff Sessions. People like that have the gift of convincing themselves that they are doing good when they are doing the opposite.

    Speaking of which, Inspector General Michael Horowitz is due for a report about all this. His first, about the Clinton email scandal, was a sophisticated whitewash. The second is about a subject yet more important -- the essence of the FBI itself. Will it be a second whitewash? If it is, as Jerry Garcia once said, "Trouble ahead, trouble behind..."
    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/fein...-russia-probe/
    That's beautiful, regurgitate a half dozen right wing media inneundos in one article and imply that any investigation on anything Trump is really a distraction and deflection away from these supposed real developments that should spearhead a needed investigation. Been a common theme with the right even when they were investigating anything they could

    It is still mind boggling how conservatives are such easy prey for demagoguery

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    against Trump associates? so you are including the Internet Research agency as "Trump associates"?..talk about stupid.

    aside from da Russians the rest are process crimes
    He is correct, you, and others on the right, have been continuously regurgitating the same conspiracies and inneundos over and over even when they have been debunked or proven irrelevant

    Mueller has done exactly as mandated, proven with his inditements that Russia, and it's leadership, was involved in the election, that there may be a connection to the Trump campaign ( Trump tower meeting), and in the process, as directed, persuaded other revealed criminal activity, which just happened to involve the upper echelon of the Trump campaign

    What is unknown and scary to Trump and associates is what Mueller does know. His amazing ability to keep everything quiet has to even further irritate Donald given the later's preference to fight it out on reality TV terms

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    He is correct, you, and others on the right, have been continuously regurgitating the same conspiracies and inneundos over and over even when they have been debunked or proven irrelevant

    Mueller has done exactly as mandated, proven with his inditements that Russia, and it's leadership, was involved in the election, that there may be a connection to the Trump campaign ( Trump tower meeting), and in the process, as directed, persuaded other revealed criminal activity, which just happened to involve the upper echelon of the Trump campaign

    What is unknown and scary to Trump and associates is what Mueller does know. His amazing ability to keep everything quiet has to even further irritate Donald given the later's preference to fight it out on reality TV terms
    lots of speculation.. a year and a half go the idea of a deep state conspiracy was laughed at.
    Now the entire leadership of the FBI has been fired/demoted/forced out. I told you so on that one too.
    Brennan's Langley group is all gone.

    Mueller is fishing -he gets to do it because he is an SP -where any other normal prosecutor would have to show cause. He has indicted a bunch of Russian for meddling ( horrors -we did the same in the Yeltsin election and we and China do it all the time) -but we have yet to see any indictment for collusion/conspiracy.

    "May be connection to the Trump campaign." all I see is an aborted Trump Tower meeting-
    certainly nothing that would require a FISA on Page -another Deep State phony move.

    Sure anything is possible -but all known evidence points to no known collusion

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