Should Trump NOT help sanctuary state CA in its battle against 18 forest fires?

**Irish** · 08-12-2018, 07:47 AM

California needs to be cut up. Calexit needs to happen.

Allow the conservative portions to remain in the union. And get rid of the leftist protion that allows illegals. Let them become Mexico jr, and a homeless refuse like San Fran. It will be fun to watch.

**katzgar** · 08-12-2018, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Irish

California needs to be cut up. Calexit needs to happen.

Allow the conservative portions to remain in the union. And get rid of the leftist protion that allows illegals. Let them become Mexico jr, and a homeless refuse like San Fran. It will be fun to watch.

you need Cali to provide funds to pay for your welfare.

**Text Drivers are Killers** · 08-12-2018, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Old Trapper

You always say "Think", and then show that you lack the ability to do so. Do you have any idea as to why they are called "forest fires"? And who controls the Forests? Are the fires in cities? How about farmland? In most States the Federal government controls an average of 42% of the land with it being as high as 80% in States like Nevada, or Arizona. Now try to do as you say others need to do, think.

So you admit you don't have a link to your claim that all these forest fires occurred on federal land?? BTW - the people in Redding CA will certainly disagree with you.

**Lesh** · 08-12-2018, 10:51 AM

Disaster response is not and should not be based on politics

But then this is Trump land here

**Lesh** · 08-12-2018, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers

So you admit you don't have a link to your claim that all these forest fires occurred on federal land?? BTW - the people in Redding CA will certainly disagree with you.

The arsonist involved here was a trumper QAnon follower.

I'm "shocked"

**Nordberg** · 08-12-2018, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Kacper

Actually people who build in high risk areas shouldn't get any aid, federal or otherwise, when those risks materialize. At most, give them an abandoned house in Detroit and tell them its a fixer upper.

Detroit home prices are skyrocketing. Lots of businesses being built. It has a vigorous nightlife.

**Cypress** · 08-12-2018, 11:27 AM

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego are not on fire.

The places that are on fire are rural areas of California, "red" parts of the state where the majority of people undoubtedly voted for Trump.

It would be interesting to hear what these people think of Trump supporters advocating abandoning them to their fate.

***Damocles*** · 08-12-2018, 11:33 AM

No. But they should insist that fire mitigation be reinstated. After logging was outlawed they pretty much stopped all fire mitigation causing worsening fires that they now try to claim as global warming. While warming may play a part, the fact that the mitigation that used to take place when logging was a functioning business no longer takes place is IMO a larger contributor.

**Lesh** · 08-12-2018, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

No. But they should insist that fire mitigation be reinstated. After logging was outlawed they pretty much stopped all fire mitigation causing worsening fires that they now try to claim as global warming. While warming may play a part, the fact that the mitigation that used to take place when logging was a functioning business no longer takes place is IMO a larger contributor.

No. Increased temps and erratic weather patterns

https://www.outsideonline.com/233317...lame-its-fires

**Irish Exit** · 08-12-2018, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nordberg

Detroit home prices are skyrocketing. Lots of businesses being built. It has a vigorous nightlife.

Then give them a FEMA trailer and an acre of land in Alabama....the parts away from the coast line. Either way it will be cheaper than rebuilding all the burned out houses and infrastructure. This cycle is is not random. Fire now, mudslides in six months.

**katzgar** · 08-12-2018, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Damocles

No. But they should insist that fire mitigation be reinstated. After logging was outlawed they pretty much stopped all fire mitigation causing worsening fires that they now try to claim as global warming. While warming may play a part, the fact that the mitigation that used to take place when logging was a functioning business no longer takes place is IMO a larger contributor.

there are areas of the country that require exterior sprinkler systems in forested areas.

**Old Trapper** · 08-12-2018, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers

So you admit you don't have a link to your claim that all these forest fires occurred on federal land?? BTW - the people in Redding CA will certainly disagree with you.

Are you talking about the Mendocino fire, the Carr fire, or what? Redding sets in the middle of the Shasta-Trinity National Forest (as if you had ever been there), and is in the middle of the worse drought in California history. The last time I checked Shasta was about 20% of its usual depth. However, the fires themselves began on timber land, and spread to Redding. Try again stupid, or, as you are fond of saying THINK.

**USFREEDOM911** · 08-12-2018, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers

So you admit you don't have a link to your claim that all these forest fires occurred on federal land?? BTW - the people in Redding CA will certainly disagree with you.

I have a friend that lives outside of Redding and they're thinking of moving, because of all the taxes that the Southern part of the State wants to levy on everyone.

**Lesh** · 08-12-2018, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cypress

San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego are not on fire.

The places that are on fire are rural areas of California, "red" parts of the state where the majority of people undoubtedly voted for Trump.

It would be interesting to hear what these people think of Trump supporters advocating abandoning them to their fate.

Not unlike the Donor Relief Act (Ryan tax cuts) that give a pittance to most middle class and poor folks and COST upper middle class folks in blue states a couple grand...regardless of party

**Old Trapper** · 08-12-2018, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Irish

California needs to be cut up. Calexit needs to happen.

Allow the conservative portions to remain in the union. And get rid of the leftist protion that allows illegals. Let them become Mexico jr, and a homeless refuse like San Fran. It will be fun to watch.

The "conservatives" have the failing part of the State. It is the liberal part that is flourishing. Then too, if you break it up the "conservative" part would be between Mexico, and the liberal part.