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    Default Experts say poor management, not global warming, is the major reason behind US wildfi

    Wildfire experts say poor management, not global warming, is the major reason behind worsening wildfires.
    Forester Bob Zybach warned decades ago that environmental regulations and less logging would make fires worse.
    The Trump administration is doing more active management of lands, but is it enough?

    Bob Zybach feels like a broken record. Decades ago he warned government officials allowing Oregon’s forests to grow unchecked by proper management would result in catastrophic wildfires.

    While some want to blame global warming for the uptick in catastrophic wildfires, Zybach said a change in forest management policies is the main reason Americans are seeing a return to more intense fires, particularly in the Pacific Northwest and California where millions of acres of protected forests stand.

    “We knew exactly what would happen if we just walked away,” Zybach, an experienced forester with a PhD in environmental science, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    Zybach spent two decades as a reforestation contractor before heading to graduate school in the 1990s. Then the Clinton administration in 1994 introduced its plan to protect old growth trees and spotted owls by strictly limiting logging. Less logging also meant government foresters weren’t doing as much active management of forests — thinnings, prescribed burns and other activities to reduce wildfire risk.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/mi...ts-time-bombs/

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    Protecting ' old growth trees ' means that there are old trees which haven't been subjected to catastrophic wildfires in the past.
    Your ' expert ' should ask for his money back.

    The start of fires is combustion, maggot. Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Wildfire experts say poor management, not global warming, is the major reason behind worsening wildfires.
    Forester Bob Zybach warned decades ago that environmental regulations and less logging would make fires worse.
    The Trump administration is doing more active management of lands, but is it enough?

    Bob Zybach feels like a broken record. Decades ago he warned government officials allowing Oregon’s forests to grow unchecked by proper management would result in catastrophic wildfires.

    While some want to blame global warming for the uptick in catastrophic wildfires, Zybach said a change in forest management policies is the main reason Americans are seeing a return to more intense fires, particularly in the Pacific Northwest and California where millions of acres of protected forests stand.

    “We knew exactly what would happen if we just walked away,” Zybach, an experienced forester with a PhD in environmental science, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    Zybach spent two decades as a reforestation contractor before heading to graduate school in the 1990s. Then the Clinton administration in 1994 introduced its plan to protect old growth trees and spotted owls by strictly limiting logging. Less logging also meant government foresters weren’t doing as much active management of forests — thinnings, prescribed burns and other activities to reduce wildfire risk.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/mi...ts-time-bombs/

    From Wikipedia:

    The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson[2][3] and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The site's coverage includes politics, business, world news, entertainment, sports, education, technology, outdoors, and energy.

    The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010, as a politically conservative[4][5] news and commentary outlet and alternative to the liberal The Huffington Post, similarly featuring sections in broad range of subjects beyond politics. By late 2012, The New York Times reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.[6]

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    So what does an industry like the logging industry go if they want to find a "business friendly" "expert"?

    The Heartland Institute.

    In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[2][3]:233–34[4] In the decade after 2000, the Heartland Institute became a leading supporter of climate change denial.[5][6] It rejects the scientific consensus on global warming,[7] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by tff View Post
    From Wikipedia:

    The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson[2][3] and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The site's coverage includes politics, business, world news, entertainment, sports, education, technology, outdoors, and energy.

    The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010, as a politically conservative[4][5] news and commentary outlet and alternative to the liberal The Huffington Post, similarly featuring sections in broad range of subjects beyond politics. By late 2012, The New York Times reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.[6]
    Lazy bastard, can't address the content so shoot the messenger!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
    So what does an industry like the logging industry go if they want to find a "business friendly" "expert"?

    The Heartland Institute.

    In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[2][3]:233–34[4] In the decade after 2000, the Heartland Institute became a leading supporter of climate change denial.[5][6] It rejects the scientific consensus on global warming,[7] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy
    Oh do shut the fuck up, Bob Zybach has an unimpeachable reputation.

    http://www.forestindustry.com/features/the-great-hoax/

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Protecting ' old growth trees ' means that there are old trees which haven't been subjected to catastrophic wildfires in the past.
    Your ' expert ' should ask for his money back.

    The start of fires is combustion, maggot. Think about it.
    Stick to Hamas humping!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Oh do shut the fuck up, Bob Zybach has an unimpeachable reputation.

    http://www.forestindustry.com/features/the-great-hoax/
    Yea...and so were the "experts" that Heartland dredged up to claim that cigarettes are harmless

    Fuck yourself very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
    Yea...and so were the "experts" that Heartland dredged up to claim that cigarettes are harmless

    Fuck yourself very much
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    Is the climate changing? Absolutely. We are warmer now that 40 years ago, that cannot be denied. That still does not change the truth contained in this article. Wildfires (out of control burning for weeks type of fires) can be prevented with a little forest management. Some select cutting of timber and a few logging roads provide natural pathways for wildlife, promotes grass growth for mast and bedding and can provide some built in fire breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    Is the climate changing? Absolutely. We are warmer now that 40 years ago, that cannot be denied. That still does not change the truth contained in this article. Wildfires (out of control burning for weeks type of fires) can be prevented with a little forest management. Some select cutting of timber and a few logging roads provide natural pathways for wildlife, promotes grass growth for mast and bedding and can provide some built in fire breaks.
    That's only under the milder conditions which have existed in the past. Today's fires cross hundreds of feet in seconds. Advocating a bald landscape is maggot territory.
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    Red-hot planet: All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week



    (This article, originally published Tuesday, was updated Wednesday to add all-time heat records at Mount Washington, N.H., and Tbilisi, Georgia set since Monday. On Thursday, the story was updated to include information on heat-related deaths in Canada and extraordinary heat in Siberia. On Friday, it was updated to add the likely all-time heat record in Africa and Southern California.)

    From the normally mild summer climes of Ireland, Scotland and Canada to the scorching Middle East to Southern California, numerous locations in the Northern Hemisphere have witnessed their hottest weather ever recorded over the past week.

    Large areas of heat pressure or heat domes scattered around the hemisphere led to the sweltering temperatures. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reports the heat is to blame for at least 54 deaths in southern Quebec, mostly in and near Montreal, which endured record high temperatures.

    In Northern Siberia, along the coast of the Arctic Ocean – where weather observations are scarce – model analyses showed temperatures soaring 40 degrees above normal on July 5, to over 90 degrees. “It is absolutely incredible and really one of the most intense heat events I’ve ever seen for so far north,” wrote meteorologist Nick Humphrey, who offers more detail on this extraordinary high-latitude hot spell on his blog.

    On Thursday, Africa likely witnessed its hottest temperature ever reliably measured. Ouargla, Algeria soared to 124.3 degrees (51.3 Celsius). If verified, it would surpass Africa’s previous highest reliable temperature measurement of 123.3 degrees (50.7 Celsius) set July 13, 1961, in Morocco.

    [Africa may have witnessed its all-time hottest temperature Thursday: 124 degrees in Algeria]

    No single record, in isolation, can be attributed to global warming. But collectively, these heat records are consistent with the kind of extremes we expect to see increase in a warming world.

    Let’s take a tour around the world of the recent hot-weather milestones.

    North America
    A massive and intense heat dome has consumed the eastern two-thirds of the United States and southeast Canada since late last week. It’s not only been hot but also exceptionally humid. Here are some of the notable all-time records set:

    The University of California Los Angeles set its all-time high-temperature of 111 degrees on July 6, along with several other locations in Southern California.
    Denver tied its all-time high-temperature record of 105 degrees on June 28.
    Mount Washington, N.H., tied its all-time warmest low temperature of 60 degrees on July 2.
    Burlington, Vt., set its all-time warmest low temperature ever recorded of 80 degrees on July 2.
    Montreal recorded its highest temperature in recorded history, dating back 147 years, of 97.9 degrees (36.6 Celsius) on July 2. The city also posted its most extreme midnight combination of heat and humidity.
    Ottawa posted its most extreme combination of heat and humidity on July 1.
    [Oppressive heat dome engulfs the Northeast — and it will spread west this weekend]

    Excessive heat torched the British Isles late last week. The stifling heat caused roads and roofs to buckle, the Weather Channel reported, and resulted in multiple all-time record highs:

    In Scotland, Glasgow had its hottest day on record, hitting 89.4 degrees (31.9 Celsius). Previously, it was reported that Scotland set its hottest temperature on record of 91.8 degrees (33.2 Celsius) on June 28 in Motherwell, about 12 miles southeast of Glasgow. However, upon further evaluation, the U.K. Met Office determined the record was invalid due to an artificial heating source near the temperature sensor.
    In Ireland, on June 28, Shannon hit 89.6 degrees (32 Celsius), its all-time record.
    In Northern Ireland,
    Belfast hit 85.1 degrees (29.5 Celsius) on June 28, its all-time record.
    Castlederg hit 86.2 degrees (30.1 Celsius) on June 29, its all-time record.

    Eurasia
    A large dome of high pressure, or heat dome, has persistently sat on top of Eurasia over the past week, resulting in some extraordinarily hot weather:

    Tbilisi, Georgia: On July 4, the capital city soared to 104.9 degrees (40.5 Celsius), its all-time record.
    Yerevan, Armenia: On July 2, the capital city soared to 107.6 degrees (42 Celsius), a record high for July and tying its record for any month.
    Several locations in southern Russia topped or matched their warmest June temperatures on record on the 28th.
    These various records add to a growing list of heat milestones set over the past 15 months that are part and parcel of a planet that is trending hotter as greenhouse gas concentrations increase because of human activity:

    In April, Pakistan posted the hottest temperature ever observed on Earth during the month of 122.4 degrees (50.2 Celsius).
    Dallas had never hit 90 degrees in November before, but it did so three times in four days in 2017.
    In late October 2017, temperatures soared to 108 degrees in Southern California, the hottest weather on record so late in the season in the entire United States.
    On Sept. 1, 2017, San Francisco hit 106 degrees, smashing its all-time hottest temperature.
    In late July 2017, Shanghai registered its highest temperature in recorded history, 105.6 degrees (40.9 Celsius).
    In mid-July, Spain posted its highest temperature recorded when Cordoba Airport (in the south) hit 116.4 degrees (46.9 Celsius).
    In July 2017, Death Valley, Calif., endured the hottest month recorded on Earth.
    In late June 2017, Ahvaz, Iran, soared to 128.7 degrees Fahrenheit (53.7 Celsius) — that country’s all-time hottest temperature.
    In late May 2017, the western town of Turbat in Pakistan hit 128.3 degrees (53.5 Celsius), tying the all-time highest temperature in that country and the world-record temperature for May, according to Masters.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/07/03/hot-planet-all-time-heat-records-have-been-set-all-over-the-world-in-last-week/?

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    Solution? Magical thinking and childish promises of everlasting life.
    Ergo, religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tff View Post
    From Wikipedia: The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson[2][3] and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The site's coverage includes politics, business, world news, entertainment, sports, education, technology, outdoors, and energy. The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010, as a politically conservative[4][5] news and commentary outlet and alternative to the liberal The Huffington Post, similarly featuring sections in broad range of subjects beyond politics. By late 2012, The New York Times reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.[6]
    Attacking the source without offering a factual rebuttal is a logical fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loon View Post
    That's only under the milder conditions which have existed in the past.
    Who told you that?

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