Heritage or hate?

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Is this a symbol of hate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 100.0%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    8
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Don Quixote said:
i did not say that

i said that such is governed by scotus and that lawsuits will determine said symbols future, also, there is action at the state level as to what shall be displayed at local government locations

native american flags may be displayed on reservation as they are separate entities from the federal government and have their own governments (up to a point)
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maybe i'm wrong, but shall make no law is still defined as 'shall make no law', right? or did they amend the constitution and I didn't know it?
 
Don Quixote said:
it would depend on whether the tribe was still in a state of rebellion or another treaty was in place

when people display confederate flags and say the south will rise again, i consider that an act of rebellion

the principal difference between the native americans and the south is that the south waged and lost a civil war with the united states of america

the u s of a tended to be the aggressor and treaty violator in conflicts between the u s of a and the native americans that the native americans lost along with their land

what are you searching for in the way of a response
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by this reasoning, and your earlier statement of criminality, wouldn't the government of the USA then be an illegal government because it's a fugitive of justice?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
by this reasoning, and your earlier statement of criminality, wouldn't the government of the USA then be an illegal government because it's a fugitive of justice?
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you keep forgetting that winners get to rewrite history and laws

if the u s of a were settling north america today, i suspect that there would be opposition to its rapacious ways or maybe other nations would just want a share
 
Don Quixote said:
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you talk about the government supposedly having some sort of power or authority to prohibit symbols of rebellion, yet I don't see that written anywhere in the constitution or bill of rights. So that leaves me to wonder, did somebody redefine 'shall make no law' in the First Amendment?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you talk about the government supposedly having some sort of power or authority to prohibit symbols of rebellion, yet I don't see that written anywhere in the constitution or bill of rights. So that leaves me to wonder, did somebody redefine 'shall make no law' in the First Amendment?
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against all enemies foreign and domestic

the government has the right to suppress rebellion by force or violence, the south certainly rebelled by force and violence and there are those (rick perry) that have called for secession again
 
Alexander Hamilton said:
The heritage of the south is hatred. If you ask me if I'm proud of the actions of my ancestors, I'll react the same as a German would if you asked him if he's proud of the Nazi's, I'll punch you in your fucking face. It's offensive to accuse any southerner of being proud of their heritage, simply disgusting.
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I know exactly what you mean. That's like asking someone from the midwest if their proud to be from michigan!
 
Yurt said:
you know what cracks me up about threads like these:

the liberals that post and make the thread don't even realize that liberals support and supported the same flag.

head in sand will always get you a mouth full of sand

carry on
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What's funny to me is how just about anything can be manipulated into a partisan issue and there always seems to be a bunch of proles who buy into it on either side of the stupid equation.

A symbol can mean many thing to many people. In India the bent cross has been a symbol of good luck going back to the Bronze age but in the west Germany turned it into a symbol of totalitarianism and Jewish persecution. Does the recent history of the west obliterate the millenia old symbolism of the east? Of course it doesn't.

The same applies with the Stars and Bars. Around 200,000 men of the Southern States died in the Civil war. Something like 1% of them owned slaves. Most of these men despised the aristocratic plantation class who's European values stagnated the economic and social development of the south for nearly 200 years. They didn't fight to free slaves and they sure as hell didn't fight for some abstract notion about the political rights of the asshole planter class. The fought because an army of occupation invaded their lands, attacked their people and destroyed their property. They fought to defend their homes, for which I can think of no better reason to fight and the fact that their moron political class provoked the civil war does not detract from this. So for many people of the southern states the Stars and Bars represents the sacrifice their ancestors make protecting their people from an invading army.

What amazes me though is the disconnect people have about this symbol. It goes with out saying that the Stars and Bars is a symbol of their peoples defense from the war of northern aggression to the average white southerner but it also represents the suppression and wretchedness that the pecular institution of slavery and later its bastard son Jim Crow created for many black Americans. So to them it is, obviously and legitimately, a symbol of hatred.

What I don't get is the disconnect.
 
Don Quixote said:
against all enemies foreign and domestic

the government has the right to suppress rebellion by force or violence, the south certainly rebelled by force and violence and there are those (rick perry) that have called for secession again
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that doesn't even begin to touch my question about the First Amendment though.
 
Gatorman said:
And to whom can they, the USA government, be held accountable for that, dumberthanmost?
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well, dumberthanall, 'we the people' created this government. so it could be said thaty 'we the people' can hold them accountable. of course, I realize that your propensity for authoritarianism will rebel at the idea that the government isnt 'in charge', but I can't help everyone realize the truth.
 
Don Quixote said:
against all enemies foreign and domestic

the government has the right to suppress rebellion by force or violence, the south certainly rebelled by force and violence and there are those (rick perry) that have called for secession again
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Since when is secession, rebellion?
 
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