signalmankenneth
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Republicans voted "No" on that!
Should women get equal pay?
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Republicans voted "No" on that!
christiefan915
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It's disgraceful that a law was necessary to ensure equality.
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you guys really need to stop sipping from the far left wing sites and read other sources. the bill wasn't about equal pay. equal pay is already the law, and it is sad we had to make it a law...that said, this bill is about SOL. and guess what, you two lefties are also SOL. sorry christie, but you should have read up on the bill.
cawacko
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I still don't understand this $0.77 to the dollar thing. Is that number saying if ten people apply for a financial analyst position and the choice comes down to two people, a man and a woman, that the company would pay the man $100k and the woman $77k?
Or is it saying that if you take for instance an investment advisory firm and look at their accounting department which has say 25 people and you combine the men's salary in the group and the women's salary in the group and the average salary for women is $0.77 to what the men make?
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yes, it does happen. i've seen it. we should all have equal pay based on our experience, abilities, not on our gender or race.
cawacko
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What happens? Which one of my examples?
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women get paid less. i don't know about current pay, but i know from experience (not me of course) that women do get paid less than men in some jobs. i don't know how widespread it is, but i do know it occurs. and, historically, it occurred, so much so that we, as a nation, had to create a bill to stop it.
cawacko
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I'm trying to understand how women get paid less. I gave two different type examples of how it could happen. Just saying they get paid less doesn't answer how it occurs.
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cawacko, the only think i can say is, corporations, business's etc....pay more to those they want all the time. it is not rocket science. if they don't want a woman, they will pay less, if they want a man, they will pay more.
for example, who, on average, makes more money in the NBA, tall or short guys?
Cawacko is asking how they figure this average we hear of so consistently. Is it taking equal jobs only and matching, or do they simply take all the employees at a company figure the salaries by sex and find an average?
BTW - I've never worked at a place where pay wasn't figured by position solely.
I have and it sucks.
christiefan915
Catalyst
you guys really need to stop sipping from the far left wing sites and read other sources. the bill wasn't about equal pay. equal pay is already the law, and it is sad we had to make it a law...that said, this bill is about SOL. and guess what, you two lefties are also SOL. sorry christie, but you should have read up on the bill.
I know what the bill was about, the plaintiff bringing a case when the SOL had run out. But the bottom line is, there would have been no case if she had been paid fairly from the start.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Could be either. But I think your second scenario is more common.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Me, too.
christiefan915
Catalyst
One way they do it is by deciding that if a woman gives birth and decides to quit her job, the company wouldn't get enough return on their investment in her. Example: that a woman may be more likely to quit her job or ask for special favors based on various family circumstances, such as staying home with a sick child.
cawacko
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In my example there was a 25 person accounting group within this advestment advisory firm. Usually there is someone who heads up the group and then several other senior leaders then a bunch of workers and then new people just starting. The reality of our world is a half century ago not as many women went to college then onto a full-time career in the workforce therefore it is not surprising that you are going to find more older men in senior positions today. (you can also throw minorities, specifically blacks, in that as well as far as lack of opportunities 50 years ago so the leaders are likely to be white males.)
More women are graduating from college today then men and many women choose not to have families or work for a decade or so before starting one and as a result we will be seeing far more women heading up companies and being in higher management in the future than we see today.
So the reality is we have more males in senior positions and thus they will make more money than those in non senior positions. How do you legislate that away?
Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.
According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.
The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.
President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.
“Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”
It is not known whether any female employees at the White House have filed lawsuits under the Ledbetter Act.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/04/11/large-wage-discrepancy-in-the-white-house/
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According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.
The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.
President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.
“Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”
It is not known whether any female employees at the White House have filed lawsuits under the Ledbetter Act.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/04/11/large-wage-discrepancy-in-the-white-house/
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Which did not answer the question.
Again: Cawacko is asking how the average is figured, not random comments about "you have" that does nothing to answer his question on which algorithm is applied to this task of averaging the pay.
And where did you work that didn't have pay based on role? I can't imagine such a place. It is nonsensical.