Gingrich wins S.C.!

icedancer2theend said:
You misread the temperament of the nation~
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I think lots of misreading going on, no?

I was at work this evening, so I've only heard that Newt got 40 something and Romney 20 something. I'm not thrilled with any of them, but I don't think that the pundits are going to interpret this right. Hey, I may already be wrong, I've not heard much but the numbers. Anyway, here's my take:

1. Newt's victory doesn't mean that the folks in SC don't care about his character. In fact it means that they aren't going to allow the media to pick the GOP candidate, based on personal issues. I'm reminded of the old cliche, 'Yea, he's a son-of-a-*$@!, but he's our son-of-a-*$@!. Everyone, especially the media, fails to understand their part in what is failing in this country. Hell for that matter, the 'media' still thinks it's the internet that made people stop ordering their daily newspapers and magazines; they fail to see that their own biases and lack of editors sealed their fate.

2. 'The 'tea party' is of no matter.' This of course was a Harry Reid pronouncement. There never was A tea party, it always was more of a philosophy of where we've been and where we should go, for a certain group of people. The diversity of those people and their differences presented issues that wouldn't coalesce into a party. The smallest group would be Democrats that wanted smaller government. The next smallest would be Christian social conservatives of the very far right. Biggest were independent libertarian leaning folks. Anyone could see the problems here. However, and this is a big HOWEVER, there were and are certain bedrock issues that drew these folks together: lower taxes, smaller government, more transparency, more accountability, and more simplicity.

I became disenchanted with 'the tea party' when Newt and some others tried to co-opt. They were successful in the sense that those that were 'Republicans' wanted more tea party influence in the party. I never thought, nor do I at this time, think that Newt agreed with the principles that were basic to the philosophy. However, he certainly has learned to appeal to the lingo that is important and reflective of the thought. My guess he got many more 'independents' than Romney and may well do so if given a chance against Obama.

3. 'The GOP is imploding.' I think this is wrong. I think the problem isn't the GOP, but the political process, where Obama was hounded on birth certificate; Romney is being dinged for paying taxes based on the system in place and his financial reality; Newt on marriage status from years ago. Now some may say, 'but you think differently about Ron Paul.' Well, that is a different case. Obama's mother was without dispute a US citizen. He was born in Hawaii. Romney's main source of income was investments, not work. That tax rate is low, that's not his fault. Newt has said 'he made mistakes' in personal life. Do I think he's 'changed?' Well we'll see if Calista gets sick. Ron Paul has admitted to no mistakes or repudiated those that have backed him and continue to back him, many of which he brought into the 'fold' with those newletters. He continues to accept their money and support.

The process is keeping decent folks out of the problems, for the sake of their families and reputations. One either would need to be so squeaky clean from birth as to be a freak or so indifferent to the harm of family that that quality might well be worse than the sin.

Many will bring up Clinton. Well to me time puts some of that in perspective, thanks to Obama. Clinton cared about the country, while his vision certainly was different than mine, I never thought he disagreed with our system in the main or our country and its people in general. The issues with Monica & co were myriad. Monica brought the nasty to the Oval Office, that was wrong. However, if Hillary could look the other way? But Bill lied, yeah, he did. BUT Congress chose to make it less than removal. That was a period at the end of the sentence.

Obama I believe, truly thinks our system of governing, our people's tendency towards individuality are wrong. He KNOWS most feel this way, but he also KNOWS that his way is better. I do believe he believes this. No hypocrisy, no excuses. IF he gets another term, he'll expand what he's done and doing in the first term. No mistake.

Ok, that's all I've got for now. Maybe some of you can use the above opinion stuff to expand or dismantle. Have fun.
 
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Annie said:
You know what GS? You've not added a thing. You are the problem.
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Au contraire, my friend. I felt like making a comparison to Republicans and a certain rodent, I did so, and then I left. You, on the other hand, have managed to say so little in so very many words.
 
And even if I had said nothing (it is important to note that that which is offensive to your insane beliefs is not nothing, which is a distinction I believe you are failing to say), well, nothing is more than less than nothing, is it not? And that is what you add. You are a negative humanity. Conservatives are the maggots who have killed everything that was good and beautiful about this once great nation over the past thirty years, and they now feast upon its decaying flesh. We had managed to perfect the American experiment by the 50's. But they destroyed it, establishing a festering Social Darwinist cesspool, ripping away all of the egalitarianism that our founders had put in this republic and replacing it with the evil Sumnerism that so many of them died opposing. You have destroyed everything. You have destroyed me, you have destroyed my generation, you have destroyed our livelihood. My hatred, I feel, is actually rather reserved. For you deserve all the hatred in the world, and I only give you a small portion of it.

Now, why are we being so serious? Let us laugh and dance in shit, for the nature of man is shit.
 
There is a third choice. Gary Johnson is a fiscal conservative who has a proven track record of reducing spending and eliminating deficits. Don't let the left and right befuddle you with talk of gay marriage, and abortion. All of that matters not if the economy goes down the tubes. Gary Johnson will truly reduce the size of the government. Liberals hate that idea and Conservatives won't like it unless we are also putting the fags and baby killers in their place. Take the third way.
 
Socrtease said:
There is a third choice. Gary Johnson is a fiscal conservative who has a proven track record of reducing spending and eliminating deficits. Don't let the left and right befuddle you with talk of gay marriage, and abortion. All of that matters not if the economy goes down the tubes. Gary Johnson will truly reduce the size of the government. Liberals hate that idea and Conservatives won't like it unless we are also putting the fags and baby killers in their place. Take the third way.
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Idiot, there is no third way, it is folly to think there is. Gary Johnson is not going to get elected, he won't even get 3% of the vote. Those who waste their votes on him, are effectively supporting Barack Obama's reelection. What you need to get clear in your befuddled little mind is, do you want four more years of Obama, or can you tolerate the baby-loving gay haters? Because that is your choice here, don't fool yourself, fool.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, yea, yea and 9 out of 10 Republicans who tried Camels actually prefered women.
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lol.....that looks like a panic reaction to the realization that my comment was spot on.....you know the thrill of the ride is off......people voted for the first black president, but who's going to want to brag to their kids that they voted to re-elect the man who made everything worse than Bush left it......
 
General Burnside said:
If you want another Reagan, support Romney. Reagan was a moderate governor of a liberal state who went on to become a conservative President.

Newt will lose, guaranteed.
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WHAT??!! Dude, Reagan had gone over to the dark side long before he was Governor of Cali and he was a hard assed conservative when he was Governor. Don't believe me? Ask the folks at Berkley.
 
General Burnside said:
Of all the candidates, he is the most Reaganesque.
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He aint even remotely close to a Reagan. If you wanted to compare him on policy he compares much more favorably to Bush 1 by far then Reagan. Romney is a blue blooded, plutocratic eastern establishment Republican. He's most certainly NOT an ideological conservative and he's nothing like Reagan in either style, substance or ideology. That's one of the worse comparisons I've ever heard.

What I do like about Romney is that he represents a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of the Southern Strategy and its extremism and the cancer it has been on the body politic in the USA. If so then Romney will be a significant political Statesman, win or lose.

What Romney represents is a return to Rockefeller Republicanism and it's mainstream values of an engaged foreign policy (and by engaged I mean diplomacy not hammer and anvil demonstrations of force) and responsible, ethical and competent governance and a distancing away from southern perochial extremism. The right wing of the Repubian party is going to loath Romney......and that's a very good thing! :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
He aint even remotely close to a Reagan. If you wanted to compare him on policy he compares much more favorably to Bush 1 by far then Reagan. Romney is a blue blooded, plutocratic eastern establishment Republican. He's most certainly NOT an ideological conservative and he's nothing like Reagan in either style, substance or ideology. That's one of the worse comparisons I've ever heard.

What I do like about Romney is that he represents a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of the Southern Strategy and its extremism and the cancer it has been on the body politic in the USA. If so then Romney will be a significant political Statesman, win or lose.

What Romney represents is a return to Rockefeller Republicanism and it's mainstream values of an engaged foreign policy (and by engaged I mean diplomacy not hammer and anvil demonstrations of force) and responsible, ethical and competent governance and a distancing away from southern perochial extremism. The right wing of the Repubian party is going to loath Romney......and that's a very good thing! :)
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lol....so basically you favor a blue blooded, plutocratic eastern establishment Republican?......and yet, we all know you favor Obama....perhaps because those two types have so much in common.....personally, I'm a Reagan Democrat.....I don't like blue blooded, plutocratic easterners.....whether they be Republican or Democrat.......
 
General Sherman said:
Au contraire, my friend. I felt like making a comparison to Republicans and a certain rodent, I did so, and then I left. You, on the other hand, have managed to say so little in so very many words.
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Actually that was a good analysis by Annie.....one of the rare times I've seen that coming from a board conservative which are usually composed of right wing rants about how Libuhrals are destroying human civilzation as they know it. You are right though, her analsis could have been more concise. She was sounding like me! :)
 
Socrtease said:
There is a third choice. Gary Johnson is a fiscal conservative who has a proven track record of reducing spending and eliminating deficits. Don't let the left and right befuddle you with talk of gay marriage, and abortion. All of that matters not if the economy goes down the tubes. Gary Johnson will truly reduce the size of the government. Liberals hate that idea and Conservatives won't like it unless we are also putting the fags and baby killers in their place. Take the third way.
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