I doubt that this story is even reported in the US

I don't think Dow used the materials. This is like asking a gun manufacturer to repay the Germans because we used their guns to kill them during WWI and II...

It was sold on the basis that it was safe to use, neglecting to mention the extremely high levels of dioxin in the product. That in itself is enough to prosecute them for criminal negligence. As for Bhopal, they bought out Union Carbide which is now a wholly owned subsidiary, as far as I am concerned they have a duty of care to the victims. Nobody can convince me that $470 million is adequate compensation for the huge numbers of people affected. The settlement did not include any compensation for the environmental devastation so Dow should have their arses sued for that as well. Eleven people died and $20 billion was extracted from BP, yet 15,000 people dead and half million injured is only worth less than half billion dollars.

As Barack Obama's administration was attacking BP over the Gulf of Mexico oil spill (death toll: 15), one of the president's most trusted advisers was writing an email to an Indian official in which it was implied that if the New Delhi government did not shut up about the 1984 Bhopal gas leak (death toll: up to 16,000), there might be a "chilling effect" on investment.
The Bhopal tragedy (above), in which deadly methyl isocyanate gas leaked from the US-owned Union Carbide pesticide plant in the central Indian city, remains the world's worst industrial accident. Up to 16,000 people were killed and another 558,125 injured. Chemicals from the plant are believed still to be contaminating groundwater supplies in the area.
Five years after the tragedy, Union Carbide agreed to pay $470 million in compensation to the victims. The company was bought by another US company, Dow Chemical, in 2001, which claimed the affair had been resolved.
However, the Bhopal Medical Appeal says Union Carbide remains liable for "environmental devastation", because it was not included in the 1989 settlement. And the Indian government is reportedly deciding whether Dow should be held liable for an additional $200m in compensation.
The current furore is the result of an email exchange obtained by India's Times Now television channel.
Montek Singh Ahluwalia, deputy chairman of the Indian Planning Commission, wrote to Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser Michael Froman to lobby for US backing in India's application for World Bank funds.
In the course of the exchange, which neither side has denied, Froman writes: "While I've got you, we are hearing a lot of noise about the Dow Chemical issue. I trust that you are monitoring it carefully.
"I am not familiar with all the details, but I think we want to avoid developments which put a chilling effect on our investment relationship."
The exchange has been taken in India as implying that US backing could be relied upon only if India pulled back from its pursuit of further damages from Dow.
Following the fuss over the BP oil spill, and the establishment of a $20bn compensation fund for people affected by it, critics are suggesting that the Obama administration believes the lives of Indians are cheaper than the livelihoods of Louisiana shrimpers.
The International Campaign for Justice in Bhopal said the leaked email showed the US government was "not pursuing the same levels of accountability from American Dow Chemical as it has from BP" and that it "values profit over people, when the profit benefits American corporations".
Froman has denied suggestions of intimidation, saying: "I want to make clear that I was not making any link between what are two separate and distinct issues nor issuing a 'threat' of any sort."
President Obama is due to visit India in November. With New Delhi already upset at the arming of Pakistan by the US, the president can ill afford a poisonous and intractable issue such as Bhopal to dominate headlines. ·





http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/12293/toxic-row-obama-after-bhopal-email-leaked
 
It was sold on the basis that it was safe to use, neglecting to mention the extremely high levels of dioxin in the product. That in itself is enough to prosecute them for criminal negligence. As for Bhopal, they bought out Union Carbide which is now a wholly owned subsidiary, as far as I am concerned they have a duty of care to the victims. Nobody can convince me that $470 million is adequate compensation for the huge numbers of people affected. The settlement did not include any compensation for the environmental devastation so Dow should have their arses sued for that as well. Eleven people died and $20 billion was extracted from BP, yet 15,000 people dead and half million injured is only worth less than half billion dollars.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/12293/toxic-row-obama-after-bhopal-email-leaked

AGAIN... why do you continue to ignore the FACT that the subsidiary of Union Carbide in India was half owned by the Indian people via their government? Why?

Also... BP was not fined based on the number of deaths. You also continue to compare something in dollars today vs. a settlement in 1989. While still nowhere near $20B, you should at least be comparing apples to apples. You should also be pointing out that UCIL was only HALF owned by Union Carbide. The other half of the joint venture was owned by India. A point you continually ignore.
 
Please demonstrate where either of those companies used the weapons on those countries?

They sold a product knowing that it contained high levels of dioxin, obviously they didn't give a shit about Vietnamese, Koreans or Cambodian civilians. However they also caused large numbers of injuries to US vets and to their families.

I will turn the tables on you, do you think that Dow has done itself any PR favours knowing that the level of bad blood that exists in India over Bhopal? God knows who their PR company was but they ought to be sacked for advising them that it was a good idea to sponsor the 2012 Olympics.
 
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AGAIN... why do you continue to ignore the FACT that the subsidiary of Union Carbide in India was half owned by the Indian people via their government? Why?

Also... BP was not fined based on the number of deaths. You also continue to compare something in dollars today vs. a settlement in 1989. While still nowhere near $20B, you should at least be comparing apples to apples. You should also be pointing out that UCIL was only HALF owned by Union Carbide. The other half of the joint venture was owned by India. A point you continually ignore.

It wasn't half owned by Indians, Union Carbide had a 51% controlling interest in the company. They also never paid anything for the environmental devastation.
 
They sold a product knowing that it contained high levels of dioxin, obviously they didn't give a shit about Vietnamese, Koreans or Cambodian civilians. However they also caused large numbers of injuries to US vets and to their families.

I will turn the tables on you, do you think that Dow has done itself any PR favours knowing that the level of bad blood that exists in India over Bhopal? God knows who their PR company was but they ought to be sacked for advising them that it was a good idea to sponsor the 2012 Olympics.

As for the Agent Orange.... again... the fault lies with the ones that USED the weapon.

LMAO.... so because a country wants to sue them for something ANOTHER company AND THE NATION OF INDIA did in 1984, they shouldn't sponsor the 2012 Olympics? That is just absurd.
 
It wasn't half owned by Indians, Union Carbide had a 51% controlling interest in the company. They also never paid anything for the environmental devastation.

LMAO.... you are fucking incredible. Yes, they owned 49%. Sorry for saying half.... obviously that was a huge stretch.

Union carbide no longer exists. Dow had nothing to do with Bhopal.
 
yeah cause India doesn't want our outsourcing of tech jobs, britan better learn about thier lack of engineering or they will drop from a second rate country to third rate.
 
As for the Agent Orange.... again... the fault lies with the ones that USED the weapon.

LMAO.... so because a country wants to sue them for something ANOTHER company AND THE NATION OF INDIA did in 1984, they shouldn't sponsor the 2012 Olympics? That is just absurd.

The only reason that company was set up as a 51% /49% split was because of Indian laws at that time, the same thing is true in many Asian countries. The plant was owned and run by Union Carbide, trying to fob off the blame is crazy. I wonder, just for the sake of argument, what you would have said if a chemical plant blew up near the US Mexican border and the toxic fumes carried over to a US town killing many people. If that company had a similar ownership structure, do you think that would stop every ambulance chaser in America suing the US company.
 
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LMAO.... you are fucking incredible. Yes, they owned 49%. Sorry for saying half.... obviously that was a huge stretch.

Union carbide no longer exists. Dow had nothing to do with Bhopal.

A 51% interest is a controlling interest in the UK and anywhere else, I'm sure you know that very well. Dow took over Union Carbide in 2002, that includes all the assets and the liabilities. US corporates have a distressing habit of doing this kind of thing, taking over another company and then denying any liability for pensions, conditions, personnel welfare etc. Here is another example, one of many around the world.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....-leeds/asbestos_the_final_reckoning_1_2133568
 
The only reason that company was set up as a 51% /49% split was because of Indian laws at that time, the same thing is true in many Asian countries. The plant was owned and run by Union Carbide, trying to fob off the blame is crazy. I wonder, just for the sake of argument, what you would have said if a chemical plant blew up near the US Mexican border and the toxic fumes carried over to a US town killing many people. If that company had a similar ownership structure, do you think that would stop every ambulance chaser in the US heading for the border?

That does not change the fact that they owned 49% of it. As part owners of the operation they are also responsible for what goes on. If they are profiting from the endeavor, should they not also be responsible for their portion of the liability? It is not trying to fob off blame. I am pointing out that you continue blaming ONE of the owners while ignoring the other.

Yes, people in the US would sue... and if a settlement was reached, that would be the end of it. Coming back 25 years later and saying, 'we should have asked for x, y and z back then so pay us more' is ridiculous.
 
A 51% interest is a controlling interest in the UK and anywhere else, I'm sure you know that very well. Dow took over Union Carbide in 2002, that includes all the assets and the liabilities. US corporates have a distressing habit of doing this kind of thing, taking over another company and then denying any liability for pensions, conditions, personnel welfare etc. Here is another example, one of many around the world.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....-leeds/asbestos_the_final_reckoning_1_2133568

Yes and when Dow took it over the liability in this case was resolved via settlement between Union Carbide and the Indian government over a DECADE before they bought it. So again, to go back to Dow and say, 'well we structured a bad settlement with Union Carbide, you thought this was resolved but now we decided it isn't' is ridiculous.
 
This isn't about BP so much as the hypocrisy of Americans. If you had any sense you would settle, India is becoming an economic powerhouse and they have very long memories.

You Brits might want to remember those "long memories", as your ancestors seem to have had a history of mistreating those you referred to as "wogs".
 
You Brits might want to remember those "long memories", as your ancestors seem to have had a history of mistreating those you referred to as "wogs".

They're getting their revenge by buying the few bits of formerly-Great Britain not already owned by Arabs, Pakis, Russians or Germans...
 
Can you dissect that post you quoted when replying with this nonsense and underline the parts about employers, electricity, or any of that nonsense.

Holidays are spent with family, not on message boards. Now don't ever quit using your employer's computer to post this nonsense... :D

I have not had an employer for over thirty years.
I doubt that any family would claim ownership of any of the half brained, foul mouthed, right wing, dead beats who post on here.
Oops! There I go again, forgetting this is America. Sorry.
So they DO use their employer's computers and steal time as I supposed.
 
I have not had an employer for over thirty years.
I doubt that any family would claim ownership of any of the half brained, foul mouthed, right wing, dead beats who post on here.
Oops! There I go again, forgetting this is America. Sorry.
So they DO use their employer's computers and steal time as I supposed.

LOL... you are such a jealous fool Low. You pretend to hate America, when in reality you cannot stop for one moment the intense jealousy you feel.

Is it that you are so insecure that you feel you must lash out? Or are you just another pathetic moron whose jealousy has gotten the better of his common sense?
 
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