Where does the Interest go?

wiseones2cents

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Maybe you guys can explain something to me. Inquiring mines want to know.lol

Americans spend trillions of dollars in interest to pay the national debt. To whom does the interest go to?

Lets try to keep this one civil.
 
What's funny is white trash like you pick ans easy occupation the cry the rest of your life because so many are doing better. Not knowing the answer to this means you've never seen the inside of an economics class. Um you played mixed field hockey and were a lib arts major.Elton John thinks your gay!
 
What's funny is white trash like you pick ans easy occupation the cry the rest of your life because so many are doing better. Not knowing the answer to this means you've never seen the inside of an economics class. Um you played mixed field hockey and were a lib arts major.Elton John thinks your gay!

Only intelligent replies please!lol
 
What do you mean by "backed by"? Bonds are not "backed" by anything. They are promises to pay a certain amount at a certain time.

HUH? I've been doing some readings and it seems Bonds are sold debt.......

Basically America has a national debt. It packages them in bonds and other people buy them. First the federal Reserve bought them, now everyone is buying them especially Asia.

Therefore are they not backed by debt?

Is the entire National deficit been packaged into bonds?

What does this guy mean when he says.....

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." - Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

And explain this. When your done I will explain the entire reason for this post.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

"When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check."

3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders.

The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed’s operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks’ interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers’ -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.
 
HUH? I've been doing some readings and it seems Bonds are sold debt.......

My undertanding is that you are right. Bonds ARE debt. They are not backed by debt. They are actual debts. They are a written promise to pay.

Basically America has a national debt. It packages them in bonds and other people buy them. First the federal Reserve bought them, now everyone is buying them especially Asia.

Therefore are they not backed by debt?

No, not backed by debt. They ARE debt. If you take a loan from the bank, you give them a note. The note IS the debt, it is not backed by debt.

Is the entire National deficit been packaged into bonds?

As far as I know, yes. T-Bonds and T-Bills.

What does this guy mean when he says.....

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." - Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

It means that when the federal reserve bank buys an asset, it pays for that asset with money it creates from thin air.

And explain this. When your done I will explain the entire reason for this post.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

"When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check."

I'm not sure what you want for me to explain. When the federal reserve buys an asset it pays the seller with money it creates out of thin air. You seem familiar with the process, so how can I explain it further?

3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders.

The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed’s operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered "for profit" corporations.

In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their "reserves." The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in "reserve" can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total "loans and leases in bank credit" as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.

The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks’ interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers’ -- for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

The fed gets to buy assets with money it creates out of thin air. (Nice gig, huh?) Wouldn't it be great to be able to buy interest-bearing assets with money you create yourself? No wonder the rich keep getting richer.
 
My undertanding is that you are right. Bonds ARE debt. They are not backed by debt. They are actual debts. They are a written promise to pay.
Debts backed by real wealth or debt backed by nothing as some on this board insist?



No, not backed by debt. They ARE debt. If you take a loan from the bank, you give them a note. The note IS the debt, it is not backed by debt.

Banks practice fractional banking. I've always believe that it meant to can lend 90% out and must always have 10% in the bank incase people want to withdraw their money.

According to what I have read? The debt(loan) is 10%(backed by real wealth and 90% backed by debt made out of air), and people are paying interest on debt that is not backed by any wealth. Actually they are paying interest on debt that is not backed by wealth but sold for real wealth(Bonds) of which interest is payed?Correct me if I am mistaken.

Seems everyone is making money but the tax payer. He is left with the bill......And knowing that the amount of interest paid over that last few decades was in the multi-trillions? Who has this money(The trillions?)




As far as I know, yes. T-Bonds and T-Bills.


How is the currency evaluated(strength wise)?



It means that when the federal reserve bank buys an asset, it pays for that asset with money it creates from thin air.

And then it collects interest from those bonds? Sounds like a SCAM!



I'm not sure what you want for me to explain. When the federal reserve buys an asset it pays the seller with money it creates out of thin air. You seem familiar with the process, so how can I explain it further?

Therefore basically the fed makes trillions of dollars in interest payments alone on money not backed by anything? Which is charged to the tax payer? How is this legal?



The fed gets to buy assets with money it creates out of thin air. (Nice gig, huh?) Wouldn't it be great to be able to buy interest-bearing assets with money you create yourself? No wonder the rich keep getting richer.

That is even better then the bank racket of loaning out 10X more of their actual assets. The money must be backed by something(They make trillions of dollars in profit). Though the elites never spend their own money. The spend the money of the people. That is how they remain on top and super wealthy.How have they been able to get away with this for so long?

How do we know that foreigners are not using the same practice of buying bonds with worthless money? There are fed reserves all over the world......And then they will use all that wealth(created from nothing) to buy and conquer America(who many men died defending) without firing a single bullet. What a scam!!!!
 
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Debts backed by real wealth or debt backed by nothing as some on this board insist?

A debt is an obligation owed by one party (the debtor) to another party (the creditor). The federal government (the debtor) has borrowed money, and the bond is a promise to pay back to the creditor the original borrowed amount plus interest.

This debt is not backed by anything. When you borrow money on your credit card, what is that debt "backed by"?

How is the currency evaluated(strength wise)?

How is anything evaluated? The market determines its value.

And then it collects interest from those bonds? Sounds like a SCAM!

Yes, the fact that the fed can buy assets with money it creates out of thin air certainly sounds like a scam to me as well.

Therefore basically the fed makes trillions of dollars in interest payments alone on money not backed by anything? Which is charged to the tax payer? How is this legal?

Yes, the fed can buy bonds with money it creates. It then owns those assets, reaping the benefit of their interest payments. I suppose it's legal, although I question the morality of such a system.

That is even better then the bank racket of loaning out 10X more of their actual assets. The money must be backed by something(They make trillions of dollars in profit). Though the elites never spend their own money. The spend the money of the people. That is how they remain on top and super wealthy.How have they been able to get away with this for so long?

How do we know that foreigners are not using the same practice of buying bonds with worthless money? There are fed reserves all over the world......And then they will use all that wealth(created from nothing) to buy and conquer America(who many men died defending) without firing a single bullet. What a scam!!!!

Yes, it certainly sounds like a scam to me. I would be in favor of eliminating the federal reserve, or at least eliminating its monopoly power to create money.
 
A debt is an obligation owed by one party (the debtor) to another party (the creditor). The federal government (the debtor) has borrowed money, and the bond is a promise to pay back to the creditor the original borrowed amount plus interest.

This debt is not backed by anything. When you borrow money on your credit card, what is that debt "backed by"?

I'm not sure what it is backed by. I would imagine the credit card company, just like insurance companies? Have securities. Just like I know to open up a bank of any type you need depositors(real wealth).

If its backed by nothing? Why is there so many credit card companies? Wouldn't one do? And why would they worry about bankruptcies? Why do they keep increasing interest rates to recoup loses?

Which is the credit card company backed by Saudi wealth? Isn't it citi-bank?

Sorry makes no sense. They maybe exaggerating their assets(since no one audits the very very big fish), but there must be something backing them up.



How is anything evaluated? The market determines its value.

That makes no sense. I can understand why countries buy American dollar reserves. Though not for all the other countries. Therefore what determines the value? The Kuwaiti Dinari is the most valuable currency. Why? It is backed by oil. People buy Kuwaiti oil. Not Kuwaiti currency.



Yes, the fact that the fed can buy assets with money it creates out of thin air certainly sounds like a scam to me as well.

How do they get away with it? I would imagine because of this......

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863



Yes, the fed can buy bonds with money it creates. It then owns those assets, reaping the benefit of their interest payments. I suppose it's legal, although I question the morality of such a system.

Its legal because they passed a law making it legal. that is what I have been trying to say for years. If there is a law that gets in the way of their ambitions? They create a law to go around it, usually window dressed for the benefit of the people.



Yes, it certainly sounds like a scam to me. I would be in favor of eliminating the federal reserve, or at least eliminating its monopoly power to create money.

Good. I am glad to see more people can see the problem. These people have made trillions of dollars unlawfully and are using that profit to set up a one world government. One that doesn't benefit the world but them selves. They say 1% in America own 50% of America's wealth, and 2% of the global elites own over 50% of the total wealth of the earth(Probably via the federal reserves of the world. That's not capitalism. That is an oligarchy.

"By this means government(more like FR) may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - John Maynard

I guess all we can do is get the word out though I wonder why the tea party(which wants the same thing) and the OWS haven't joined forces?

You seem to be knowledgeable on economics. WHat would happen if Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy,ect... all defaulted on their debt? What ripple effect would it have on the global market?
 
What do you mean by "backed by"? Bonds are not "backed" by anything. They are promises to pay a certain amount at a certain time.

This person's "wisdom" costs too much if you pay 2 cents. I've tried to explain to this "person" what Fiat Currency means but they insist it is "backed" by "wealth" and now think that the interest is "backed" by something.

Fiat currency is used to "buy" the debt, the interest goes to the bond holders, like China, SS (the Social Security "lockbox" is entirely made up of these BTW, there is no money in there, just Treasuries), your sister's EEE bond...
 
This person's "wisdom" costs too much if you pay 2 cents. I've tried to explain to this "person" what Fiat Currency means but they insist it is "backed" by "wealth" and now think that the interest is "backed" by something.

Fiat currency is used to "buy" the debt, the interest goes to the bond holders, like China, SS (the Social Security "lockbox" is entirely made up of these BTW, there is no money in there, just Treasuries), your sister's EEE bond...

Here we go again. We've already established what fiat currency is.

Wait a minute!!!! Fiat currency is used to buy the debt? WHAT DEBT? And if fiat currency is used to buy the debt, why the need for investors/bond holders like China?lol If I were the feds I'd buy ALL the bonds because they cost ZERO(money made out of thin air).

According to the thread. Correct me if I'm wrong Centinel. We have the American debt. I guess America somewhere along the line ran out of wealth(probably due to war). The Americans needed funds. Along comes the Fed res(Most likely backed by Britain's vast gold reserves). Britain had the world's largest gold reserves and they went missing in action after the world wars......... Started lending money to Americans. Americans sold bonds(debt) to the federal reserve and the reserve gave them money. And the rest is history. Though why start selling debt to the Asians? Did the feds no longer want to back them and they had to look for different markets? But if the feds are making money out of thin air, why not continue buying bonds?

Now if the fed res is not backed by any wealth at all? Why would the Americans give these foreigners control of the economy? Unless it was a conspiracy of the biggest proportions with the Freemasons all in on it. This is a Freemason run site isn't it? :)

If the fed was making money out of thin air like you say? They would have owned all the world buy now. The fact that they don't, shows there are limitations.

Oh....if the SS lock box is also backed by fiat currency, why are they making a big deal about not being able to pay it out?
 
Here we go again. We've already established what fiat currency is.

Wait a minute!!!! Fiat currency is used to buy the debt? WHAT DEBT? And if fiat currency is used to buy the debt, why the need for investors/bond holders like China?lol If I were the feds I'd buy ALL the bonds because they cost ZERO(money made out of thin air).

According to the thread. Correct me if I'm wrong Centinel. We have the American debt. I guess America somewhere along the line ran out of wealth(probably due to war). The Americans needed funds. Along comes the Fed res(Most likely backed by Britain's vast gold reserves). Britain had the world's largest gold reserves and they went missing in action after the world wars......... Started lending money to Americans. Americans sold bonds(debt) to the federal reserve and the reserve gave them money. And the rest is history. Though why start selling debt to the Asians? Did the feds no longer want to back them and they had to look for different markets? But if the feds are making money out of thin air, why not continue buying bonds?

Now if the fed res is not backed by any wealth at all? Why would the Americans give these foreigners control of the economy? Unless it was a conspiracy of the biggest proportions with the Freemasons all in on it. This is a Freemason run site isn't it? :)

If the fed was making money out of thin air like you say? They would have owned all the world buy now. The fact that they don't, shows there are limitations.

Oh....if the SS lock box is also backed by fiat currency, why are they making a big deal about not being able to pay it out?

:facepalm:
 
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