But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao...

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Doublewide Dixie is correct in saying a huge transfer of wealth has occurred. He is incorrect in identifying the beneficiaries.
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Mao believed bourgeois capitalism was preventing prosperity among the masses in China.
The OWS Libtards believe Wall Street capitalists are preventing prosperity in America.

Mao believed it would benefit the people to redistribute the wealth of bourgeois capitalists.
Wallbangers believe it would benefit the masses to redistribute the wealth of the richest 1%.

Mao believed people are all equal, and should share in all economic equity.
Libtards believe the rich aren't paying their fair share, even as they pay 80% of the bill.

You want to tell me how the OWS movement isn't exactly the same thing as Maoism?
You want to attempt to answer, or just continue to ignore it and change the subject?
 
Dixie said:
Mao believed bourgeois capitalism was preventing prosperity among the masses in China.
The OWS Libtards believe Wall Street capitalists are preventing prosperity in America. Mao believed it would benefit the people to redistribute the wealth of bourgeois capitalists. Wallbangers believe it would benefit the masses to redistribute the wealth of the richest 1%. Mao believed people are all equal, and should share in all economic equity. Libtards believe the rich aren't paying their fair share, even as they pay 80% of the bill. You want to tell me how the OWS movement isn't exactly the same thing as Maoism? You want to attempt to answer, or just continue to ignore it and change the subject?
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You want to attempt to provide a source for these claims, or just continue to pretend you don't need to back up what you say?
 
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You want to attempt to provide a source for these claims, or just continue to pretend you don't need to back up what you say?
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As I said before, these are not "claims" being made, it is documented historical fact. You can read about it online by searching Mao Zedong, and the Cultural Revolution. It is also articulated in numerous history books which have been published, and available on most high school and college campuses. Here is one of my personal favorites: The World's History, The, Combined Volume (3rd Edition)- Howard Spodek

So basically, you're going to take the same approach as Jughead and others, and just refuse to accept, or completely ignore historical facts, and demand history be proven to you? I can't help you with that, it's called being IGNORANT, and if that's how you insist on being, you're on your own.

The historic record shows, one Mao Zedong, did indeed spark a people's movement which turned to revolution in 1949. The fundamental message, and basis for the revolution, was almost precisely the same message as the current OWS movement. Replace the word "bourgeois" with "wall street" and you can't tell any difference in Mao's speeches and those of the OWS protests. It's the exact same thing, across the board. What the OWS protesters are advocating, is exactly the same as what Mao advocated and sparked a revolution for, and when it was finally implemented, it failed miserably and millions died.
 
Dixie said:
As I said before, these are not "claims" being made, it is documented historical fact. You can read about it online by searching Mao Zedong, and the Cultural Revolution. It is also articulated in numerous history books which have been published, and available on most high school and college campuses. Here is one of my personal favorites: The World's History, The, Combined Volume (3rd Edition)- Howard Spodek

So basically, you're going to take the same approach as Jughead and others, and just refuse to accept, or completely ignore historical facts, and demand history be proven to you? I can't help you with that, it's called being IGNORANT, and if that's how you insist on being, you're on your own.

The historic record shows, one Mao Zedong, did indeed spark a people's movement which turned to revolution in 1949. The fundamental message, and basis for the revolution, was almost precisely the same message as the current OWS movement. Replace the word "bourgeois" with "wall street" and you can't tell any difference in Mao's speeches and those of the OWS protests. It's the exact same thing, across the board. What the OWS protesters are advocating, is exactly the same as what Mao advocated and sparked a revolution for, and when it was finally implemented, it failed miserably and millions died.
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I cannot seem to find the phrase "What the OWS protesters are advocating, is exactly the same as what Mao advocated and sparked a revolution for" in your source, doublewide Dixie.

Why is that?
 
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I cannot seem to find the phrase "What the OWS protesters are advocating, is exactly the same as what Mao advocated and sparked a revolution for" in your source, doublewide Dixie.

Why is that?
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Because it was published before the OWS movement, I suppose. Do you need a book to tell you something obvious? The message of Mao is the identical message of the OWS protesters, I pointed out a few of the remarkable similarities, and you've provided nothing to rebut them. Why is that?
 
Dixie said:
Because it was published before the OWS movement, I suppose. Do you need a book to tell you something obvious? The message of Mao is the identical message of the OWS protesters, I pointed out a few of the remarkable similarities, and you've provided nothing to rebut them. Why is that?
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What you've done, doublewide Dixie, is express your opinion of the OWS protesters message (strange, since they have no monolithic "message" that I know of).

What you haven't done is show me the message of the OWS protesters.

Where is it?

Post it.

What is the source of your contention that the message of the OWS protesters is identical to the message of Mao?

Post it.
 
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What you've done, doublewide Dixie, is express your opinion of the OWS protesters message (strange, since they have no monolithic "message" that I know of).

What you haven't done is show me the message of the OWS protesters.

Where is it?

Post it.

What is the source of your contention that the message of the OWS protesters is identical to the message of Mao?

Post it.
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Mao believed bourgeois capitalism was preventing prosperity among the masses in China.
The OWS Libtards believe Wall Street capitalists are preventing prosperity in America.

Mao believed it would benefit the people to redistribute the wealth of bourgeois capitalists.
Wallbangers believe it would benefit the masses to redistribute the wealth of the richest 1%.

Mao believed people are all equal, and should share in all economic equity.
Libtards believe the rich aren't paying their fair share, even as they pay 80% of the bill.

You want to tell me how the OWS movement isn't exactly the same thing as Maoism?
You want to attempt to answer, or just continue to ignore it and change the subject?
 
What is the source of your contention that the message of the OWS protesters is identical to the message of Mao?
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Common sense... that's my source of contention! When person A says something... and person B says the same thing.... it can be concluded both are saying the same thing. It is impossible they are saying something different, if it's the same. Unless you wish to be ignorant and refuse to acknowledge what was said, which is probably the case here with you.
 
LOL, so you think repeating an earlier post is evidence that proves your assertions?

Can you prove that OWS protesters and Mao are identical, or not, doublewide Dixie?

Yes, or no.
 
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So you cannot provide any proof that OWS protesters and Mao have identical messages.
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If you are saying "take money from the rich and give to the poor" it doesn't matter if you are Mao, a Wallbagger, or Robin Hood, the message is the same. The ideology fails in every aspect, with the exception of Robin Hood, which is fantasy and make believe... the ONLY place Liberal ideas do work!
 
Dixie said:
If you are saying "take money from the rich and give to the poor" it doesn't matter if you are Mao, a Wallbagger, or Robin Hood, the message is the same. The ideology fails in every aspect, with the exception of Robin Hood, which is fantasy and make believe... the ONLY place Liberal ideas do work!
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Is that an admission that your claim that the messages of OWS protesters and Mao are identical was inaccurate?
 
Dixie said:
It's never happened without a revolution and overthrow of the government, is that what you believe is coming? We still have an electoral process, and there is still the possibility of relegating you to political obscurity and forgetting about you forever. I think those chances are much better than a revolution turning us into Communist China.... but maybe that's just me?
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Or the government may change things. Like affordable medical care for everyone. Who would have thought. Maybe raising taxes on the wealthy so the government can ensure people are treated fairly. You know who you have to vote for. :)

What I understand is, in a free capitalist society, every person deserves to keep the fruits of their labor. It is their property, and you have no right to it. It should be entirely up to them, who they want to buy dinner for with their own money. That's how freedom works.
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Except your taxes are already paying for welfare. And lunches for other people's kids. And...well, I'm sure it's not necessary to go through a list. You see, that's how a society works.

We don't have the same circumstances, you seem to be confusing circumstances with opportunity. Yes, we ALL have the same opportunity, and no, we don't all have the same circumstances. I know of numerous millionaires who were born in the ghetto, in the projects, under the worst of circumstances, but they had the same opportunity as we all have, and through their motivation, ambition, and determination, they became wealthy. Their stories include very little "luck" and they had to overcome the most severe circumstances. So you are just plain flat out wrong about this. Oh, and I am sure, you aren't suffering from naivety, you are definitely stupid.
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Circumstances offer opportunity. It's known as networking. A young person whose father or mother is a bank VP has a better chance of getting a good summer job than, say, parents who work at the local butcher shop. Then the son/daughter of the VP will meet other people who can help them, people in "higher" positions. Stop being so naive.

There has never been a socialist society greater than our capitalist society. Ambition, motivation, drive, determination, and opportunity... those are ALL that matter in becoming successful at anything. As for the other Bill Gates' or would-be sports stars, I can't attest to their situation, since they are imaginary hypotheticals, but I would guess they lacked something Bill Gates and premier athletes had, in the way of motivation, ambition, drive, determination, or opportunity. Or maybe they weren't as talented and should have devoted their energy to something else? This doesn't change the fact we all have the same opportunity to become successful and wealthy.
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Keep believing that dream.

Revolutions mostly happen out of ignorance, and through propaganda efforts of others. In the end, "the rich people" still exist, and the poor people are even poorer. Meanwhile, millions of innocent people are executed in the process, for an ideology that has not, and will not, ever work.
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That's why it's vital to help the less fortunate before things get out of hand.

I don't believe you. I think that is precisely what motivates you and every other Commie socialist, jealousy. And the "revolt" is coming in November of next year, led by the TEA Party, but I don't think it's the one you were hoping for. You see, in this country, we have a constitution and it stipulates our power is derived from the Creator, and can't be alienated.... other places where revolutions overthrew governments, didn't have that. We go to the polls and "revolt" with our votes, and that's what is heading your way next year... are you ready? I don't think you are.
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The only thing that motivates me is I hope changes are made before it comes down to a revolt. But I didn't lose a job. I didn't lose my home. I don't have children college age. I don't have to worry about medical care. Maybe if my circumstances were different I'd be part of the demonstrations.

But you're not going to get Utopia. Think son, think! Feeding people requires resources, those resources have to be produced from somewhere, they don't just magically appear at will. At some level, labor has to produce the resources, there is no other alternative. Therefore, there is no such thing as "free lunch" or free anything else. Someone has to pay for it, some labor has to be exerted. Owning a home also requires resources, someone has to produce those, they don't just magically appear. College professors and doctors don't work for free, someone has to pay for their services. You want to live in a fantasy world where people don't have to work for stuff, where government is there to hand it out like candy, and you don't have to do anything. That is not reality based, it is a fantasy. Believing in something that is not real and impossible to achieve, is a very dangerous ideology and road to go down.
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Nobody expects to do nothing and receive things. However, if there is nothing to do, no jobs available, then what do you propose? People who lack proper food are not refusing to produce it. Can a hungry individual stop by any farm, do some work and get a meal?

You see, there is no shortage of things. The fact is there is an abundance of many things but people don't have the money to buy them. For example, there are houses in Nevada, a new subdivision where people have walked away from their mortgages. The houses are going into disrepair. Vermin have started to move in. People with money are insisting on new houses being built and refuse to buy those due to the disrepair. Rather than turning the subdivision into a retirement community, doing a quick clean-up of the homes and allowing poor people to live in those houses before they completely deteriorate they will be left to rot. That is the sin of the capitalist system and that has to change.

On that note it's time for my afternoon nap. :)
 
Dixie said:
As I said before, these are not "claims" being made, it is documented historical fact. You can read about it online by searching Mao Zedong, and the Cultural Revolution. It is also articulated in numerous history books which have been published, and available on most high school and college campuses. Here is one of my personal favorites: The World's History, The, Combined Volume (3rd Edition)- Howard Spodek

So basically, you're going to take the same approach as Jughead and others, and just refuse to accept, or completely ignore historical facts, and demand history be proven to you? I can't help you with that, it's called being IGNORANT, and if that's how you insist on being, you're on your own.

The historic record shows, one Mao Zedong, did indeed spark a people's movement which turned to revolution in 1949. The fundamental message, and basis for the revolution, was almost precisely the same message as the current OWS movement. Replace the word "bourgeois" with "wall street" and you can't tell any difference in Mao's speeches and those of the OWS protests. It's the exact same thing, across the board. What the OWS protesters are advocating, is exactly the same as what Mao advocated and sparked a revolution for, and when it was finally implemented, it failed miserably and millions died.
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You, being so well versed in history, must be aware the poor did and will again revolt. So wouldn't the LOGICAL alternative be for the wealthy to help the poor?
It is you who ignores history. The French Revolution. The Russian revolution. The Chinese Revolution.
As more and more people fall into poverty, losing their jobs and homes and realizing their children will not get an education in order to compete, they are going to demand change. With what are you having difficulty understanding?
 
Dixie said:
Common sense... that's my source of contention! When person A says something... and person B says the same thing.... it can be concluded both are saying the same thing. It is impossible they are saying something different, if it's the same. Unless you wish to be ignorant and refuse to acknowledge what was said, which is probably the case here with you.
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:rofl: OMG, I can't believe you wrote that. You and common sense are strangers, my friend. In fact, you're polar opposites. And I'm not just referring to your comments regarding OWS.
 
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LOL, so you think repeating an earlier post is evidence that proves your assertions?

Can you prove that OWS protesters and Mao are identical, or not, doublewide Dixie?

Yes, or no.
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Not to be critical but out of respect perhaps you should capitalize his first name, "Doublewide". :lol:
 
apple0154 said:
I had a feeling I didn't dumb it down enough for you. I misjudged how dumb you really are. Mea culpa.

Yes, killing the wealthy failed but the wealthy were killed, nonetheless. That is the point and from a logical viewpoint it makes more sense to share than be killed. That is the point. The current way things are going will not last. Do you not see the OWS demonstrators? Do you not see Obama trying to get social programs in place?

This nonsense about the government not being able to look after it's citizens, the garbage talk about the country on the verge of bankruptcy, is the talk of the greedy. As more and more people lose their homes, lose their jobs, slip into poverty, things are going to get worse. And it's coming. Whether Maoist philosophy works or doesn't work is immaterial. The disadvantaged, the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the jobless don't give a damn about philosophy. They see people with an abundance while they are suffering and they are going to change things.

Now, either the wealthy play along or, as history has shown, over and over, they end up with the short end of the stick. The outcome has always been the same. Either the wealthy volunteer to share or a revolution results. That's just the way it is.

Now do you understand?
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Seems to be a good reason for the "1%" to start eliminating large numbers of the "99%".
self-defense
 
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