It's no game, SF.
This is all about what jobs the stimulus created & retained directly. You don't like restricting the argument to that, because it conflicts w/ your agenda.
CBO Finds 3.7 Million Jobs Created by Stimulus
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It's no game, SF.
This is all about what jobs the stimulus created & retained directly. You don't like restricting the argument to that, because it conflicts w/ your agenda.
Oh, I see. The CBO is a good source when you want it to be and it isn't a good source when you don't want it to be. That said, I posted this article because it came across my Twitter feed today and, in light of your post relying on the CBO, thought I would post it.
I didn't say that - I said other posters said that. I said you said it failed.
And since you understand, let's hear it: how does the CBO track the jobs that were created or retained? Quick now - off the top of your head...
SmarterthanYou
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do you think it's good fiscal policy to spend 200k of taxpayer money to create a job that only pays 50k?
"Could be Attributed" is shorthand for "could have been saved or created"...
Basically you came on and proudly proclaimed nothing at all new. I heard from Obama he had saved "whole bunches" of jobs...
Not particularly, and I'm sure there are anecdotes to that effect, and other anecdotes that point to waste inherent in the stimulus.
But, if you look at the package as a whole & its effect, I'd say it's good fiscal policy to stop the downward spiral and at least get things moving in a positive direction again. In real terms, the stimulus was cheap compared to the alternative.
I see. Another guy who not discounts the CBO only when it disagrees with his preferred view of the world but also has a convenient CBO to English dictionary. Nice.
I see. Another attempt to say that the vague language with sweepingly huge swings in the range of jobs, that actually doesn't say these jobs have been created but that they could be is somehow an authoritative assurance that the jobs that "may" be are actually there.
I'm good with that.
I'm not arguing against their numbers. I simply point out what they actually say rather than the title of the article.
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Darla
Conservatives all believe that the plural of anecdote is data.
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The Almighty
LMAO.... ok.... well then kudos. Jobs created! Just keep chanting 'we don't care about the total situation with jobs! We just care that we created some! Who cares if it is not enough! Who cares if we spent $300k per job to create 1.2 to 3.3 million $20k jobs. We are awesome! O-BAMA! O-BAMA!
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The Almighty
Is that what I stated Dung? Nope. That is your straw man.
The CBO is a good resource. But that is not to say it shouldn't ever be questioned as you insinuated in the previous post I responded to. Do you comprehend the difference? Or should I get a remedial poster like Yurt to dumb it down for you?
Cool observation, if I had even chanted that once.
You're an idiot. I'm talking about the bill itself. You're talking about the employment situation in general. You generally are forced to move the goalposts whenever the stimulus comes up, because you were dead wrong about that measure.
There is some big friggin' irony.
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The Almighty
They contact recipients of the money and ask them. Then they contact the first level of suppliers for that company and ask them. (this is a very simplified version of what they do)
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Nope.... no irony. It is indeed his straw man. Perhaps you should look up the definition of irony. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I know what it means.
You & Damo do the same thing. Neither of you can bear to talk about the actual facts of the stimulus, so whenever someone points them out, you go w/ instant hyperbole: no matter who is laying out the facts, they are suddenly also saying "hey everyone...the economy is great!"
It's such weakness. It's pathetic.
SmarterthanYou
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any way you slice it up or jumble in to a bigger package, a -75% ROI is NEVER, let me say that again, NEVER a good policy. The picture could be as big as the crab nebula and it would still look bad.
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why do you lie about stuff like this, especially when you just made the post a short while ago?
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The Almighty
As I stated many times in the past, I agree that things would have been WORSE had we not had the stimulus. I disagree with the assessment that we are better off today than we were prior to the stimulus. I think we are right about where we were. The stimulus prevented it from getting worse. But it didn't make things better. I know you just want to chant 'but it added jobs'. So by all means, continue doing so. Because THAT is what is truly pathetic. Especially when you consider the cost to 'save' those jobs.
Why do you read everything incorrectly?
I said you & bravo, clearly referring to the post above regarding the "failed" characterization. I added Good Luck, who also said the black hole comment. And, lastly, I included "other posters" (I had SF in mind, among a few others), who have claimed that "no jobs were created."
You just can't read. I can't be too bothered w/ it.