The level of civility is deteriorating rapidly

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

When Gabby Giffords was shot by Jared Loughner, we heard pleas from liberals to "tone down" the rhetoric. Much was made of Palin's imagery on a website 'targeting' hot political races across the country. Condemned for telling her followers not to retreat, but to "re-load!" Even though these comments were nowhere near the context implied, most on the left and right agreed, we need to "tone down the rhetoric" in politics.

However, since this tragedy, the liberals have gone off the hinge with a relentless barrage of personal and general insults, false claims of racism, and just outright slanderous lies, one after the other, with no end in sight, directed at the TEA Party movement. It's as if their own calls for civility went in one ear and out the other. Or maybe the calls for civility never meant LIBERALS should be civil, only those on the RIGHT? I think that is more likely the case. In the wake of the Giffords tragedy, what they really meant to call for, was the RIGHT to shut the fuck up and sit down. Let's let the LEFT say and do anything they see fit, and the RIGHT can just sit there and cower in shame, for the low-life garbage they are. We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault... everything! THIS is what the Liberal pinheads meant, when they emotively "called for civility" in political discourse.

I have studied the 1861 War Between the States, (aka: Civil War)... One thing I find amazing, is the similarity in the divisive political tone leading up to that war, and the divisive tone we hear today. If you ever have the chance to read (or watch) North and South, you can observe the times much as they were, the people on both sides who pushed us into a war, simply by being too stubborn and prideful to think they needed to compromise. Two "sides" rallying bases... the Secessionists and the Abolitionists... both perpetuating the anger and vitriol until it finally boiled over into an all-out WAR! Many of those same people, who pushed for and WANTED a war, would live to regret their choices. Hundreds of thousands dead sons, brothers, fathers... a nation in ruins... all because of two sides with uncompromisable positions, unwilling to even try to reconcile. This is exactly what we see today, but instead of 'slavery' being the catalyst, it is 'labor' or 'class' which is being used.

Each day, the left-wing liberals peel back another layer and reveal how remarkably similar their views are to socialist communist style government, where the state controls everything and every aspect of our lives. This isn't "freedom" at all, it's the antithesis of it.

 

[Jarod]

Not a single example.... just allegations.

 

[zappasguitar]

Not a single example.... just allegations.

And does Dixie even give a passing mention to his own deplorable lack of civility?

Of course not...yet he piously wonders why OTHERS are so discourteous...

 

[apple0154]

When Gabby Giffords was shot by Jared Loughner, we heard pleas from liberals to "tone down" the rhetoric. Much was made of Palin's imagery on a website 'targeting' hot political races across the country. Condemned for telling her followers not to retreat, but to "re-load!" Even though these comments were nowhere near the context implied, most on the left and right agreed, we need to "tone down the rhetoric" in politics.

However, since this tragedy, the liberals have gone off the hinge with a relentless barrage of personal and general insults, false claims of racism, and just outright slanderous lies, one after the other, with no end in sight, directed at the TEA Party movement. It's as if their own calls for civility went in one ear and out the other. Or maybe the calls for civility never meant LIBERALS should be civil, only those on the RIGHT? I think that is more likely the case. In the wake of the Giffords tragedy, what they really meant to call for, was the RIGHT to shut the fuck up and sit down. Let's let the LEFT say and do anything they see fit, and the RIGHT can just sit there and cower in shame, for the low-life garbage they are. We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault... everything! THIS is what the Liberal pinheads meant, when they emotively "called for civility" in political discourse.

I have studied the 1861 War Between the States, (aka: Civil War)... One thing I find amazing, is the similarity in the divisive political tone leading up to that war, and the divisive tone we hear today. If you ever have the chance to read (or watch) North and South, you can observe the times much as they were, the people on both sides who pushed us into a war, simply by being too stubborn and prideful to think they needed to compromise. Two "sides" rallying bases... the Secessionists and the Abolitionists... both perpetuating the anger and vitriol until it finally boiled over into an all-out WAR! Many of those same people, who pushed for and WANTED a war, would live to regret their choices. Hundreds of thousands dead sons, brothers, fathers... a nation in ruins... all because of two sides with uncompromisable positions, unwilling to even try to reconcile. This is exactly what we see today, but instead of 'slavery' being the catalyst, it is 'labor' or 'class' which is being used.

Each day, the left-wing liberals peel back another layer and reveal how remarkably similar their views are to socialist communist style government, where the state controls everything and every aspect of our lives. This isn't "freedom" at all, it's the antithesis of it.

It's truly fascinating how you can clearly state what, in effect, blows your argument all to hell and not even realize it. You compare today with the political rhetoric during the Civil War and talk about compromise. Do tell us what compromise you would have suggested regarding slavery? What would have been a suitable compromise between freeing the slaves and not freeing the slaves? And what suitable compromise is possible between looking after the ill and poor and not looking after the ill and poor?

As for you writing "We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault", yes, it pretty much is. Eight years of a philosophy that brought the world to the edge of financial collapse.

Did you watch Greenspan having a chat with Congress? One Congressman asked Greenspan if his "view of the world", his "philosophy", was faulty, wrong, and Greenspan replied, "Yes."

Your way, the way you advocate, is faulty, wrong. The capitalist guru himself, Greenspan, admitted it. Not just the bogus "financial instruments" the greedy bastards dreamed up but their "view of the world", their "philosophy", your "view of the world", your "philosophy" is wrong. It's been stated it's wrong and it's been proven wrong. Why can't that fact sink into your head? And the same faulty, wrong philosophy is being continued today by the Repubs.

 

[cawacko]

It's truly fascinating how you can clearly state what, in effect, blows your argument all to hell and not even realize it. You compare today with the political rhetoric during the Civil War and talk about compromise. Do tell us what compromise you would have suggested regarding slavery? What would have been a suitable compromise between freeing the slaves and not freeing the slaves? And what suitable compromise is possible between looking after the ill and poor and not looking after the ill and poor?

As for you writing "We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault", yes, it pretty much is. Eight years of a philosophy that brought the world to the edge of financial collapse.

Did you watch Greenspan having a chat with Congress? One Congressman asked Greenspan if his "view of the world", his "philosophy", was faulty, wrong, and Greenspan replied, "Yes."

Your way, the way you advocate, is faulty, wrong. The capitalist guru himself, Greenspan, admitted it. Not just the bogus "financial instruments" the greedy bastards dreamed up but their "view of the world", their "philosophy", your "view of the world", your "philosophy" is wrong. It's been stated it's wrong and it's been proven wrong. Why can't that fact sink into your head? And the same faulty, wrong philosophy is being continued today by the Repubs.

So how did America become the most prosperous nation on Earth with this faulty and wrong worldview?

 

[Alias]

ANDRE CARSON

 

[poet]

When Gabby Giffords was shot by Jared Loughner, we heard pleas from liberals to "tone down" the rhetoric. Much was made of Palin's imagery on a website 'targeting' hot political races across the country. Condemned for telling her followers not to retreat, but to "re-load!" Even though these comments were nowhere near the context implied, most on the left and right agreed, we need to "tone down the rhetoric" in politics.

However, since this tragedy, the liberals have gone off the hinge with a relentless barrage of personal and general insults, false claims of racism, and just outright slanderous lies, one after the other, with no end in sight, directed at the TEA Party movement. It's as if their own calls for civility went in one ear and out the other. Or maybe the calls for civility never meant LIBERALS should be civil, only those on the RIGHT? I think that is more likely the case. In the wake of the Giffords tragedy, what they really meant to call for, was the RIGHT to shut the fuck up and sit down. Let's let the LEFT say and do anything they see fit, and the RIGHT can just sit there and cower in shame, for the low-life garbage they are. We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault... everything! THIS is what the Liberal pinheads meant, when they emotively "called for civility" in political discourse.

I have studied the 1861 War Between the States, (aka: Civil War)... One thing I find amazing, is the similarity in the divisive political tone leading up to that war, and the divisive tone we hear today. If you ever have the chance to read (or watch) North and South, you can observe the times much as they were, the people on both sides who pushed us into a war, simply by being too stubborn and prideful to think they needed to compromise. Two "sides" rallying bases... the Secessionists and the Abolitionists... both perpetuating the anger and vitriol until it finally boiled over into an all-out WAR! Many of those same people, who pushed for and WANTED a war, would live to regret their choices. Hundreds of thousands dead sons, brothers, fathers... a nation in ruins... all because of two sides with uncompromisable positions, unwilling to even try to reconcile. This is exactly what we see today, but instead of 'slavery' being the catalyst, it is 'labor' or 'class' which is being used.

Each day, the left-wing liberals peel back another layer and reveal how remarkably similar their views are to socialist communist style government, where the state controls everything and every aspect of our lives. This isn't "freedom" at all, it's the antithesis of it.

You have the audacity to compare the current state of affairs with the Civil War?????????? How about "chickens coming home to roost"? How about "you make your own bed, you sleep in it"? How about ownership for your part in it? No one told you and your posses, to cart out placards and posters with racist rhetoric , with Obama being hung in effigy, with messages and cries of hate and vitriol. And now the kitchen has become too "hot"? It's why I'm a firm believer in karma. You reap what you sow.

 

[poet]

So how did America become the most prosperous nation on Earth with this faulty and wrong worldview?

No, America lost its' superpower status and its' credibility with the faulty and wrong worldview.

 

[poet]

ANDRE CARSON

Profile in courage, if you ask me.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Not a single example.... just allegations.

Well, there is the one great big example of everything the liberals have written and spoken since Giffords, calling TEA Partiers every conceivable name in the book without any basis whatsoever... then there's the daily examples of commentary from the likes of Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, and Micheal Moore... then there is the weekly examples of liberal politicians comments, like those of Maxine Waters. Did you need for me to link to every single editorial in every liberal newspaper from the time Giffords was shot until now? I don't know that Damo's server is large enough to accommodate it, I might crash it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's truly fascinating how you can clearly state what, in effect, blows your argument all to hell and not even realize it. You compare today with the political rhetoric during the Civil War and talk about compromise. Do tell us what compromise you would have suggested regarding slavery? What would have been a suitable compromise between freeing the slaves and not freeing the slaves? And what suitable compromise is possible between looking after the ill and poor and not looking after the ill and poor?

Well, maybe like the compromise Lincoln was working on, to 'phase out' slavery over time, perhaps through the government compensating slave owners, like they did in Maryland and Delaware? It seemed to have worked there, but that wasn't proposed or tried elsewhere. I think reasonable minds could have found a reasonable solution, if both sides had been willing to compromise. The problem was, neither side felt compelled to compromise, and viewed ANY compromise as unacceptable. I guess a couple hundred thousand dead soldiers was more appealing?

As for you writing "We don't dare even raise our heads to the liberals, because it's ALL our fault", yes, it pretty much is. Eight years of a philosophy that brought the world to the edge of financial collapse.

Wasn't GOP philosophy that did that, moron. This is some 'meme' you wish to cling to, like a baby clings to a warm blanket. The mortgage collapse, which STARTED the economic malaise we are in, was created through actions directly taken by two DEMOCRATS! Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. And if you wish to believe some other load of propaganda or political garbage, that's up to you... but the "FAULT" lies with Democrats on this as much (if not more) than Republicans.

Regardless.... no matter WHO is at fault... There is absolutely NOTHING in our Constitution about silencing the political voices of people who were "wrong" about something! We have the RIGHT to be WRONG! You don't have to agree that we are right, you don't have to approve of what we stand for... but by God, you DO have to let us have a political voice, REGARDLESS of what happens as a result!

Did you watch Greenspan having a chat with Congress? One Congressman asked Greenspan if his "view of the world", his "philosophy", was faulty, wrong, and Greenspan replied, "Yes."

I seriously fucking doubt that is actually what Alan Greenspan said. It sounds like a LIBERAL distortion of something he MAY have said.

Your way, the way you advocate, is faulty, wrong. The capitalist guru himself, Greenspan, admitted it. Not just the bogus "financial instruments" the greedy bastards dreamed up but their "view of the world", their "philosophy", your "view of the world", your "philosophy" is wrong. It's been stated it's wrong and it's been proven wrong. Why can't that fact sink into your head? And the same faulty, wrong philosophy is being continued today by the Repubs.

Again... doesn't matter if my way IS faulty or wrong, it's MY way, and I have the same goddamn right to express my viewpoints politically, as anyone else, including a liberal! You have absolutely NO RIGHT to deny me that, or to squelch the rights of free speech politically. NONE! It doesn't matter if you don't like it.

 

[Alias]

You have the audacity to compare the current state of affairs with the Civil War?????????? How about "chickens coming home to roost"? How about "you make your own bed, you sleep in it"? How about ownership for your part in it? No one told you and your posses, to cart out placards and posters with racist rhetoric , with Obama being hung in effigy, with messages and cries of hate and vitriol. And now the kitchen has become too "hot"? It's why I'm a firm believer in karma. You reap what you sow.

Nothing compares with the hate your pals directed at Bush for 8 years. Somehow in your little faggot racist brain you seem to think you're entitled to spew your hateful nasty rhetoric all over the place, but you can't take one bit of the same. VICTIM is written into every post you make. You probably crap VICTIM.

 

[Alias]

Profile in courage, if you ask me.

Why, of course. He's entitled to spew his racist hate at American citizens for no reason whatsoever. You have no sense of right and wrong.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Here we see rightwing civility in action:

 

[poet]

Nothing compares with the hate your pals directed at Bush for 8 years. Somehow in your little faggot racist brain you seem to think you're entitled to spew your hateful nasty rhetoric all over the place, but you can't take one bit of the same. VICTIM is written into every post you make. You probably crap VICTIM.

You're out of your fucking mind. Bush is the worst president in American History. By all accounts. The illegal Patriot Act. Two illegal wars. Financial meltdown.
I can take and have taken all that dished out...and you have the nerve to claim Christianity as a defense. Ain't no victim here. Were you here, I'd show you victim. You'd plead for me to stop showing you victim. You calling me names, means nothing. I've been called worse by better. Did you get that?
You're a racist, tea bagger, homophobe, anarchist, unpatriotic miscreant. In other words, white trailer trash. How do you like me now?

 

[poet]

Why, of course. He's entitled to spew his racist hate at American citizens for no reason whatsoever. You have no sense of right and wrong.

Well, if Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Wilson, Bill O'Reilly, Rick Perry, Glenn Beck, Trent Lott, Virginia Fox, you, et al. can do it, then why oh why can't I?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You're out of your fucking mind. Bush is the worst president in American History. By all accounts.

CORRECTION: Bush WAS the worst, he lost the dubious distinction to Obama within 2 years.

The illegal Patriot Act.

Which DEMOCRATS supported, and Obama reinforced and fortified after becoming president.

Two illegal wars.

Both of which were supported and funded by DEMOCRATS, which Obama deployed more troops to, and we're still in... PLUS another one of his own doing, that he isn't calling "a war" because it's not politically expedient to do so.

Financial meltdown.

The fault of LIBERALS who wanted to have financial institutions make loans to people who couldn't repay them. Then LIBERALS who continue to think bailouts and spending money we don't have, is the solution, even though it hasn't worked.

I can take and have taken all that dished out...and you have the nerve to claim Christianity as a defense. Ain't no victim here. Were you here, I'd show you victim. You'd plead for me to stop showing you victim. You calling me names, means nothing. I've been called worse by better. Did you get that?

I doubt you would "show" anybody anything, except how much of a coward you really are.

You're a racist, tea bagger, homophobe, anarchist, unpatriotic miscreant. In other words, white trailer trash. How do you like me now?

Was that supposed to make someone like you better?

 

[apple0154]

So how did America become the most prosperous nation on Earth with this faulty and wrong worldview?

Glad you asked.

Let's think back to the "type" of person the settlers were. Having lived under a strict system in England (bad-mouth the King and off with your head) and their religious upbringing their idea of freedom was not to do their best to rip off their neighbor.

For example, consider the following. (Excerpt) In 1629 a Puritan group secures from the king a charter to trade with America, as the Massachusetts Bay Company. Led by John Winthrop, a fleet of eleven vessels sets sail for Massachusetts in 1630. The ships carry 700 settlers, 240 cows and 60 horses.

Winthrop also has on board the royal charter of the company. The enterprise is to be based in the new world rather than in London. This device is used to justify a claim later passionately maintained by the new colony - that it is an independent political entity, entirely responsible for its own affairs. In 1630 Winthrop selects Boston as the site of the first settlement, and two years later the town is formally declared to be the capital of the colony.

This concept chimes well with the settlers' religious attitudes. They are Congregationalists, committed to the notion that the members of each church are a self-governing body. The towns of Massachusetts become like tiny city-states - each with a church at its centre, and with the church members as the governors.

This is oligarchy rather than democracy, but it is an oligarchy based on perceived virtue rather than wealth or birth.
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa80#ixzz1WkfaIiFL

As time passed and people spread out the same “philosophy” endured, such as wagon trains and setting up communities. While freedom and capitalism were present people were “judged” by their community members. Members helped each other and anyone caught cheating their neighbour was outed. Some small towns function in a similar way today. Once the local mechanic or storeowner gets a bad reputation his game is over.

Things sailed along quite nicely. People were free to pursue their interests but not at the expense of their community members and all were expected to help, when required. As the population grew and people started to move around more it was easy to start cheating others. The proverbial “snake oil salesman” emerged. The thief and the hustler moved on to another town. If caught, the chances were good they’d catch a bullet.

Then cities came into being. People realized they could cheat people, just a little, at least. There was, as one famous quote relays, a fool born every minute. Who better to attribute that quote to than a man who ran a circus and travelled from town to town never staying long enough to meet justice? (Whether Barnum actually said that is open to conjecture.) The point being the idea of community first, as a necessity of survival, faded to became “grab all you can”.

While ideas still flourished and, as you accurately stated, America become the most prosperous nation on Earth it was due to freedom, being left alone to think, for lack of a better definition. It wasn’t due to someone’s right to swindle his or her neighbour or otherwise endeavour to take advantage of others. If someone knowingly sold a sick horse they were liable to be shot. Today, (LLC) it’s close the horse shop, declare bankruptcy and start selling some other type of animal and the previous buyer loses their money. Or if ones reputation is in the toilet simply move elsewhere. Today’s society is geared to cheating people. Even Greenspan, after being warned about the bogus financial instruments, insisted once enough people lost money others wouldn’t invest and the invisible insidious hand of the market would correct things. How well did that work?

In a sense America and other parts of the western world have reached a tipping point. It has gone from freedom with a responsibility to ones community to freedom with responsibility to oneself and it’s the former that made America great.

As a side note it’s most amusing to read comments from Dixie and others who rant about the dangers of social programs and the democrats passing laws without Republican input as if the government was an oligarchy. Where did we see that word before? Ahhh, yes. The original settlers! Who would have thought?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LMFAO.... The Alternative Socialist History of America According to Apple!

 

[Jarod]

The pilgrims left England because of social Religious conservatives.

Did I miss something, was a senator caned on the senate floor by another senator? Because that is what the pre-civil war rhetoric was like!

Dixie, still not a single example!