Obama says he inherited economic problems

Though I disagreed w/ him ideologically, I would call Reagan a good President. He wasn't great, though. He is probably the most over-mythologized President of the modern era.

Reagan's policies were short-term success, long-term problems. We're still dealing w/ some of his legacy.
 
Obama says he inherited economic problems

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Monday he inherited many of the country's problems with high debt and deficits when he entered the White House, sounding a theme likely to dominate his 2012 re-election campaign.

Speaking at a Democratic fundraiser, where families paid $15,000 to get a picture with him, Obama defended his economic record and noted that problems in Europe were affecting the United States.

"We do have a serious problem in terms of debt and deficit, and much of it I inherited," Obama said. The financial crisis, he said, made the problem worse.

Democrats and Republicans agreed to a deal to raise the debt ceiling and cut government spending last week, but credit rating agency Standard & Poor's downgraded the United States, contributing to a steep fall in stock markets on Monday.

Obama noted that the United States had seen 17 months of consecutive private-sector job growth, rising corporate profits and stabilized credit markets under his watch.

"What's absolutely true, even before these last couple days in the stock market, is that recovery wasn't happening fast enough," he said. "When you have problems in Europe and in Spain and in Italy and in Greece, those problems wash over into our shores," he said.

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so much for "the buck stops here"....while it is not all his fault, the guy just can't take any responsibility. it is always someone else's fault....i have yet to see him take responsibility for our current economic situation....i have not seen a president whine and blame others as much as obama has done...

It's conventional wisdom that he inherited his economic woes.
 
I just love it when you mindless liberals try to support your opinions with...... ANOTHER OPINION!! LOL

The facts remain: Obama inherited an bad economy consisting of a 6 month recession, low inflation, and 8.6% unemployment.

Reagan inherited an economy consisting of almost 2 years recession, inflation over 12%, unemployment over 11%.

After 2.5 years, Obama has an economy BARELY out of recession and continually threatening to dip back in, still low inflation (thank God, because Obama had nothing to do with it) and 9.2% unemployment.

After 2.5 years Reagan had an economy well out of recession and headed for robust growth, low inflation, and 8.4% unemployment.

Reagan had a hostile congress. Obama's first two years had a super majority in both houses.

The REAL difference between the two? Reagan, whether you like his policies or not, was a full blown, capable LEADER, with the ability to work with those who held opposing views.

Obama, whether you like his policies or not, is a simpering wimp, completely out of his league in taking on the office of President, who can only whine like a baby about his opponents. He's so incompetent he had to resort to political bribery to get his own party members to vote for his health care crap.

Yeah, the Democratic congress of the 80's was so so very hostile to Reagan. It was Dixicratic-Republican coalition supermajority.
 
Though I disagreed w/ him ideologically, I would call Reagan a good President. He wasn't great, though. He is probably the most over-mythologized President of the modern era.

Reagan's policies were short-term success, long-term problems. We're still dealing w/ some of his legacy.
I detested the majority of his foreign policy. Even as a member of the military, I felt we could have found a cheaper way to win the Cold War - though I do have to give him kudos in that we DID, essentially, win it. I think he could have been a little more compassionate - money wise as well as rhetoric - when the former Soviet Union was going through its breakup. His tendency to involve us in every little thing that came up in global politics was painful to watch, and the way he let his lapdogs run loose messing things up in Central America was outright excruciating.

And I did NOT like being sent to Granada!

But the fact remains the Reagan was a genuine leader. He had the admiration of his opponents, even as they fought him.

You simply cannot say that about Obama. We need a leader in the WH, and we have a wimp.

Addendum: What, exactly, is a stimulus package (failed or not) if not a short term solution to a long term problem?
 
Obama's own party has refused to work with him more than the actual opposition did under Reagan. In the 80's, the only thing the Democrats were trying to do was out-Republican the Republicans.
 
I detested the majority of his foreign policy. Even as a member of the military, I felt we could have found a cheaper way to win the Cold War - though I do have to give him kudos in that we DID, essentially, win it. I think he could have been a little more compassionate - money wise as well as rhetoric - when the former Soviet Union was going through its breakup. His tendency to involve us in every little thing that came up in global politics was painful to watch, and the way he let his lapdogs run loose messing things up in Central America was outright excruciating.

And I did NOT like being sent to Granada!

But the fact remains the Reagan was a genuine leader. He had the admiration of his opponents, even as they fought him.

You simply cannot say that about Obama. We need a leader in the WH, and we have a wimp.

Addendum: What, exactly, is a stimulus package (failed or not) if not a short term solution to a long term problem?

Thanks for your service. As for the Cold War, I tend to think that Reagan gets too much credit for ending it, but it depends on who is writing the history. Certainly, there have been enough Soviets who have made the case that they collapsed under their own weight, and who traced the beginnings of that back to the early '70's.

I never saw the stimulus as a "fix", or a solution. I think it was unfortunate that some in the admin hinted at that & sold it that way, and it certainly was public perception. The value of the stimulus was in stopping the bleeding, which was a hemorrage at that stage. We were at a point where spending had simply stopped, everywhere. Consumers were afraid to spend. Corporations were afraid to spend, and afraid to hire, and were laying people off in droves. Absent something from the outside, it's difficult for me to see what would get the cycle moving in a positive direction again.

I don't see the stimulus as a failure, but I don't think it was entirely succesful, either. It did stop the bleeding; we were recovering. But the recovery was weak. The private sector never "took the reigns" and built on what started. Confidence is the biggest issue right now - investors, companies & consumers still feel that skittishness, that fear that they acquired in 2008/09. THAT is where a leader like Reagan was so effective; he was a good marketer for optimism. He believed, so others did as well. Obama just seems beleagered at this point.
 
The stimulus fell way short of the projections of economic benefit. Obama is an offective fear mongerer and as such he created a lot of the spending loss.
 
Must......Defend.......Obama!! Must......Defend.......Obama!

While the economy is more global now than in the 80s, it's not as if we were isolated back then. Europe was also going through bad times in the 80s, a factor which had an effect on our economy, and vice-versa. Maybe we are comparing Red Delicious to Fuji, but it's apples-to-apples, not apples-to-oranges.

The fact is Obama inherited a bad economy. But he has had 2.5 years to make some corrections to set us on a better path, AND HE HAS NOT DONE SO! He has tossed trillions of dollars in a black hole somewhere that was supposed to be a stimulus. He spent all his political capital passing the most gawd-awful piece of bullshit legislation designed to fracture our health care system when he should have been looking for ways to make the economy more friendly to expansion. He purposely let the debt ceiling question sit until the last moment so he could blame republicans for the consequences when he could easily have passed a package ENTIRELY TO HIS LIKING using the democratically controlled congress he had available to him until January 2011. He did not do so because he was too afraid it would make him unpopular. (which it damned well would have - but seriously, is he about doing what he believes is necessary for this country, or being popular?)

From day one, when he had a democratic super majority in the House, and a filibuster-proof democratic majority in the Senate, his rhetoric has been all about how the obstructionist republicans are messing up all his plans. (as if he had any in the first place.) He's a fucking whiny child. Always has been, and always will be.

precisely
 
Confirmation that you are an arrogant toss pot, you couldn't have had time to see that video before posting this drivel.

why would i watch and 8 minute video? you can't simply take 1 minute and explain your reasons. you have to let other people do your thinking for you. i notice you chickened out on your contradiction. didn't think you would own up to your nonsense. it just proves you know squat about the economy. how else can you criticize america for leaving beyond her means and then claim that she needs to live beyond her means? seriously, you cannot expect people to watch an 8 minute video, especially when they ask for YOUR thoughts. if you can't formulate any rational thoughts, just say so.
 
O, goody, I got a groan out of Poet - the second in only two days!

I must be doing something right.

Idiots always make me groan. And you don't know me well enough to call me a mindless liberal. That's Mr. Mindless Liberal to you.
 
I guess you either groan a lot, or avoid mirrors.

Does trolling braindead submoronic mindless liberal twit work better for you?
 
What dummy is proposing that conservatives go along with Obamao's marxist socialist policies.
 
Idiots always make me groan. And you don't know me well enough to call me a mindless liberal. That's Mr. Mindless Liberal to you.

I thought Mr. Mindless Liberal was your father and you preferred just "mindless"... I'll make sure to change that. :D

I don't think you're mindless, poet. Someday, you should post some of your poetry...
 
I just love it when you mindless liberals try to support your opinions with...... ANOTHER OPINION!! LOL

The facts remain: Obama inherited an bad economy consisting of a 6 month recession, low inflation, and 8.6% unemployment.

Reagan inherited an economy consisting of almost 2 years recession, inflation over 12%, unemployment over 11%.

After 2.5 years, Obama has an economy BARELY out of recession and continually threatening to dip back in, still low inflation (thank God, because Obama had nothing to do with it) and 9.2% unemployment.

After 2.5 years Reagan had an economy well out of recession and headed for robust growth, low inflation, and 8.4% unemployment.

Reagan had a hostile congress. Obama's first two years had a super majority in both houses.

The REAL difference between the two? Reagan, whether you like his policies or not, was a full blown, capable LEADER, with the ability to work with those who held opposing views.

Obama, whether you like his policies or not, is a simpering wimp, completely out of his league in taking on the office of President, who can only whine like a baby about his opponents. He's so incompetent he had to resort to political bribery to get his own party members to vote for his health care crap.[/quote]That article was loaded with facts which obviously you've chosen to ignore.
 
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I just love it when you mindless liberals try to support your opinions with...... ANOTHER OPINION!! LOL



There is a mass of factual information in that article which you've chosen to ignore as it doesn't go along with your Reagan hero worship. Let me summarise it for you, Reagan did nothing the recovery was all down to Paul Volcker who employed classical Keynesian economic theory disguised as monetarism.

Myth: Carter ruined the economy; Reagan saved it.

Fact: The Federal Reserve Board was responsible for the events of the late 70s and

Summary

Carter cannot be blamed for the double-digit inflation that peaked on his watch, because inflation started growing in 1965 and snowballed for the next 15 years. To battle inflation, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, who defeated it by putting the nation through an intentional recession. Once the threat of inflation abated in late 1982, Volcker cut interest rates and flooded the economy with money, fueling an expansion that lasted seven years. Neither Carter nor Reagan had much to do with the economic events that occurred during their terms.


Argument

In 1980, the "misery index" -- unemployment plus inflation -- crested 20 percent for the first time since World War II. Ronald Reagan blamed this on Jimmy Carter, and went on to win the White House. Reagan then caught the business cycle on an upswing, for what conservatives call "the Seven Fat Years" or "the longest economic expansion in peacetime history."

Were either of these presidents responsible for their fortune with the economy? No. Carter battled the peak of an inflationary trend that began in 1965. In the following chart, take special notice of the long, slow climb in the inflation column:
Year Inflation Unemployment (1) ------------------------------- 1961 1.0% 6.7% 1962 1.0 5.6 1963 1.3 5.6 1964 1.3 5.2 1965 1.6 4.5 < Vietnam war spending increases 1966 2.9 3.8 1967 3.1 3.8 1968 4.2 3.5 1969 5.5 3.5 1970 5.7 5.0 1971 4.4 6.0 1972 3.2 5.6 1973 6.2 4.9 1974 11.0 5.6 < First oil crisis 1975 9.1 8.5 1976 5.8 7.7 1977 6.5 7.1 1978 7.6 6.1 1979 11.3 5.9 < Second oil crisis 1980 13.5 7.2 1981 10.3 7.6 1982 6.2 9.7 1983 3.2 9.6 1984 4.3 7.5 In 1965, President Johnson started increasing deficit spending to fund the Vietnam war. This fiscal policy (as predicted by Keynesian theory) increased inflation and reduced unemployment.

Unfortunately, inflation is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If business owners expect it, and raise their prices by the anticipated amount to compensate for it, then they have created the very inflation they fear. This process forms a vicious circle -- inflationary expectations and price increases feed off each other, with the potential of creating hyper-inflation. Unfortunately, economic theory at the time was such that economists didn't know how to stop it, at least safely.

Growing inflation in the 70s received two huge boosts: the first comprised the late-1973 and 1979 oil shocks from OPEC (the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries). Soaring oil prices compelled most American businesses to raise their prices as well, with inflationary results. The second boost to inflation came in the form of food harvest failures around the world, which created soaring prices on the world food market. Again, U.S. companies that imported food responded with an inflationary rise in their prices.

All this was accompanied by a growing crisis in monetary policy at the Federal Reserve. Traditionally, the Fed has fought inflation by contracting the money supply, and fought unemployment by expanding it. In the 60s, the Fed conducted an expansionary policy, accepting higher inflation in return for lower unemployment. It soon became clear, however, that this strategy was flawed. Expanding the money supply created jobs because it put more money in the hands of employers and consumers, who spent it. But eventually businesses learned to expect these monetary increases, and they simply raised their prices by the anticipated amount (instead of hiring more workers). The result was that the Fed gradually lost its ability to keep down unemployment; the more money it pumped into the economy, the more businesses raised their prices. As a result, both inflation and unemployment started growing together, forming a twin monster that economist Paul Samuelson dubbed "stagflation."

Stagflation happened to reach its peak on Carter's watch, spurred on by the 1979 oil shock. How Carter can be blamed for a trend that began a decade and a half earlier is a mystery -- and a testimony as to how presidential candidates often exploit the public's economic ignorance for their own political gain.

However, Carter did in fact take a tremendously important step in ending stagflation. He nominated Paul Volcker for the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Volcker was committed to eradicating stagflation by giving the nation some bitter medicine: an intentional recession. In 1980, Volcker tightened the money supply, which stopped job growth in the economy. In response to hard times, businesses began cutting their prices, and workers their wage demands, to stay in business. Volcker argued that eventually this would wring inflationary expectations out of the system.

The recovery of 1981 was unintentional, and with inflation still high, Volcker tightened the money supply even more severely in 1982. This resulted in the worst recession since the Great Depression. Unemployment in the final quarter of 1982 soared to over 10 percent, and Volcker was accused of the "cold-blooded murder of millions of jobs." Even high-ranking members of Reagan's staff were vehemently opposed to his actions. Congress actually considered bringing the independent Fed under the government's direct control, to avoid such economic pain in the future. Today, economists calculate that the cost of Volcker's anti-inflation medicine was $1 trillion -- an astounding sum. But Wall Street demanded that Volcker stay the course, and that may have been the only thing that saved him.

In the late summer of 1982, inflation looked defeated, so Volcker sharply expanded the money supply. Once as high as 14 percent in 1981, the Fed's discount rate fell from 11 to 8.5 percent between August and December 1982. Within months, the economy roared to life, and took off on an expansion that would last seven years. Because the recession had been so deep, and the number of available workers so large (with not only laid-off workers waiting to return to work, but also a record number of women seeking to join the workforce), the recovery was guaranteed to be long and healthy.

Interestingly, Volcker was transformed from villain to hero after the victory over inflation. His reputation and integrity were so unquestioned that when his term as Chairman came up for renewal, Reagan renominated him with overwhelming popular approval. Another interesting tidbit is that although Volcker's intentional recession was a classically Keynesian approach to combating inflation, he did so under the name of "monetarism". (The policies recommended by the two theories converged at this point.) Milton Friedman, the creator of monetarist theory, and other conservatives were pleased that the Fed had finally converted to monetarism. However, they were outraged in late 1982 when Volcker threw off the cloak of monetarism and openly returned to Keynesian policies for expanding the economy. Most economists now accept that the Fed was not monetarist at all during this period, and that the label was merely political cover for drastic but necessary action.

Of course, conservatives have a far different interpretation of these events. Let's review their arguments:

THE CONSERVATIVE VIEW

According to conservatives, increasing taxation and regulation under Carter stifled the economy. Reagan's 1981 budget (the only one not to be declared "Dead on Arrival" by House Democrats) contained across-the-board, supply-side tax cuts that allowed entrepreneurs to invest and increase productivity. Reagan also slashed regulations, unshackling the entrepreneurial spirit of American business.

There are several problems with this historical spin. First, total federal taxation under Carter rose by an insignificant 1.7 percent of the Gross Domestic Product:
Federal tax receipts and spending (percent of GDP) (2) Year Receipts Spending ------------------------- Carter 1978 18.5% 21.3% 1979 19.1 20.7 1980 19.6 22.3 1981 20.2 22.9 Reagan 1982 19.8 23.9 1983 18.1 24.4 1984 18.0 23.1 1985 18.5 23.9 1986 18.2 23.5 1987 19.2 22.5 1988 18.9 22.1 1989 19.2 22.1 To claim that such a minor increase could produce crippling stagflation is to ascribe to the economy an extraordinary sensitivity to taxation. Although many conservative laymen would gladly accept such a notion, it is not one entertained by serious economists. West Germany in the 1980s, for example, had a total taxation rate of 39 percent of its GDP (compared to 29 percent of combined government taxes for the U.S.), and during that decade Germany was an economic powerhouse. If even a few percentage points are the difference between Carter's stagflation and Reagan's boom years, then by all rights West Germany should have been dead.

But that's only the general level of taxation -- what about the top rate? Although the top rate for income taxes was 70 percent under Carter (where it had always been, since Kennedy), Carter gave the rich the most sacred tax cut they hold dear: a capital gains tax cut in 1978, from 39 to 28 percent. Thus, Carter gave the rich their first tax cut in 15 years. According to conservative theory, this should have nudged the economy in the right direction, not sent it into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Conservatives also criticize Carter's promotion of expanded government regulations. But Carter actually began deregulating during his term; in 1978, he deregulated airlines; by 1980, he was deregulating trucking, railroads interest rates and oil. All are fundamental to the economy's operations. Carter also set up the deregulatory machinery that Reagan would later use to slash regulations almost in half by the end of his second term. Again, Carter's actions should have nudged the economy in the right direction, not sent it into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

And yet, there is no evidence that regulation was even the cause of the period's stagflation. The economies of Western Europe are far more regulated than the U.S., and their productivity has been growing faster than ours:
Percent of U.S. individual worker productivity (U.S. = 100%) (3) 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s 1990 ------------------------------------------------ United States 100% 100 100 100 100 Canada 77.1 80.1 84.2 92.8 95.5 Italy 30.8 43.9 66.4 80.9 85.5 France 36.8 46.0 61.7 80.1 85.3 Germany 32.4 49.1 61.8 77.4 81.1 United Kingdom 53.9 54.3 58.0 65.9 71.9 Japan 15.2 23.2 45.7 62.6 70.7 Furthermore, Reagan systematically slashed and burned government regulations, but individual worker productivity grew no faster in the 80s than it had during the late 70s (about 1 percent for both periods).

As for the claim that Reagan's 1981 tax cuts were responsible for "the greatest peacetime expansion in U.S. history," a few grains of salt are in order here. The timeline better fits the liberal explanation than the conservative one. Volcker expanded the money supply in late 1982, and a few months later the economy took off. However, Reagan's tax cuts were passed in 1981, and were already in effect by 1982 -- but, as we have seen, 1982 was the year of the horrific recession.

Tax cuts were supposed to have spurred economic recovery by liberating the tax dollars of entrepreneurs and allowing them to invest them in greater productivity and jobs. However, such greater investment never occurred. It appears that the rich simply pocketed the savings, because investment fell during the 80s:
Private investment (4) 1970 - 1979 18.6% 1980 - 1992 17.4 So there is no evidence that the conservative revisionism is true.
 
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reagan was lucky, fuck that brit boy. IF you are going to give the Pres credit and blame to it.

Carter was a bigger simpering whimp than Obama
 
Price fixing Nixon, he was such an idiot progressive.

Nixon was a mixed bag of goods. As a Chief executive he made some substantial policy decisions that have had long term positive impact till this day. He also made some historically bad decisions, escallating Vietnam, price fixing as you mentioned, but all that paled compared to his personal short comings which inflicted this nation with his rampant abuses of power. People to young to remember think Bush was the worst ever, and he was a terrible President but he wasn't as bad as Nixon, that's for sure! As for his progressive ideas, some of those were spectacularly successful.
 
LOL Are you SERIOUS? Reagan CONTINUED Carter's policies? If you are old enough to remember those years, and old enough to understand what was happening, then you were either to fucking wacked out on drugs to remember clearly, or you are an outright boneheaded lying sack of donkey shit.

Carter was all about federal price controls and protectionist trade policies. Reagan was for open market pricing and free trade. We were not in a period of stagflation under Carter, we were in a period of stagflation under Nixon & Ford. By the time Carter's term was coming to an end, we were in a tailspin recession headed for an outright depression. Federal fiscal policies went through drastic, in some areas 180° change when Reagan took office. One of the biggest criticisms against Reagan his first year of office is how Reagan removed price controls, even before they were set to expire. Everyone said the move would result in hyperinflation. That gasoline would hit $3/gallon within a few months (Up from $0.80 at the time), blah, blah, fucking blah.

They were wrong.

And so are you.

Dude, go do your homework. You're not going to get the facts from Fox News. The period of stagflation began when that moron asshole Nixon implemented wage and price controls in 1971 (as Damo pointed out). The initial wave of push-cost shocks sent commodity prices spiraling and then the Arab Oil Embargo struck in 1973 which pulled the rug out from under the feet of American Industry and sent consumer prices through the ceiling. It was also a situation grossly bungled by Nixon and Kissenger who took an ideological stand over the nations economic interest and it jumped up and bit them in the ass. Nixon was also far more focused on the Vietnam mess, his personal enemies and persecuting John Lennon then running the country.

This dumped our nation into both double digit unemployment and double digit inflation and Nixon did JACK SHIT about it. Ford Didn't do a hell of a lot either but he was hamstrung politically. Carter then inherited that fucking mess from the Nixon/Ford administrations where from 73 to 75 inflation soared from 3.5% to 12% and unemployment went for 6% to 11% and our national GDP had shrank 5 out of 12 quarters (and when was the last time you heard that happening?)...and...oh yea....CARTER HADN'T EVEN FUCKING BEEN ELECTED YET. So it was the oil embargo that was a direct result of Nixon's right wing foreign polices and Nixonian price fixing schemes that were almost solely responsible for that period of stagflation. CARTER DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE FUCKING THING TO DO WITH IT. He inherited the mess.

So what did Carter do? In 1978 he nominated Paul Volker as chair of the Fed. In 1979 Vockler raised the federal fund rate from 11.5% to nearly 20%. Carter new that he was going to take a hell of a political hit for this extremely unpopular decision and he did. You could hear people, industry and business howl from one end of the nation to the other. When cash strapped construction companies and farmers and Ag business literally marched on DC in protests of Fed policies and high prime rates. Carter was reviled across the land for this decision....there's only one problem. IT FUCKING WORKED!

Reagan, when he took office in 1981 new that it was working. That's why in 1983 Reagan reappointed Paul Vockler chair of the Fed and at which time the prime rate reached it's historic high of 23% but inflation was now down to 3.2% and unemployment was under 9%. So it was Paul Vocklers fed policies approved and implemented under BOTH Carter and Reagan that is credited with ending the period of stagflation in 1983. Unfortunately for Carter, he took the political hit for high Prime Rates that ended stagflation and not Reagan who gained the political benefit of stagflation ending but that's life. No one ever said it was fair.

So try doing your homework and know what the facts are before you start repeating right wing propaganda that you hear from Fox News cause no matter how many times you repeat it, it still won't be the truth.
 
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