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Bfgrn

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As I read the replies to the thread about corporate profits being up 200%, and household income being up only 2%, I can't help but think about what conservatism really is.

When you understand what conservatism is, every argument they make leads to the same end.

Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

When you understand this and view their words, ask the question; will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?

The answer is always YES...


Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
 
As usual, Bfgrntard starts a debate by using his own definition of terms. Unfortunately for him, only Conservatives get to define what Conservatism means.
 
As usual, Bfgrntard starts a debate by using his own definition of terms. Unfortunately for him, only Conservatives get to define what Conservatism means.

Here's the great thing DY, It will be YOU and not me who will prove my assertion. Because anyone can read what you and other 'conservatives' post and ask that simple question:

"Will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?"

And when the answer is YES it will be YOU and not me providing proof...
 
Here's the great thing DY, It will be YOU and not me who will prove my assertion. Because anyone can read what you and other 'conservatives' post and ask that simple question:

"Will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?"

And when the answer is YES it will be YOU and not me providing proof...

Is there an "aristocracy" in the United States ?
Is there an "aristocracy" in China ???
Was there an "aristocracy" in the USSR?
Is there on an "aristocracy" in Russia ?
How about the UK, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc....

Is the "aristocracy" the same as the "elitists"....?
 
As I read the replies to the thread about corporate profits being up 200%, and household income being up only 2%, I can't help but think about what conservatism really is.

When you understand what conservatism is, every argument they make leads to the same end.

Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

When you understand this and view their words, ask the question; will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?

The answer is always YES...


Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

it's meaningless debate when you define the terms for anything, considering you think Hitler was Libertarian.
 
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A hereditary ruling class; nobility.
Government by the citizens deemed to be best qualified to lead.

Is this what the US has had since 2009 ?
 
TODAY....in 2011......Conservatives can and should be defined a "Constitutionalists"........

..............................democrats can and should be defined as "socialists"

Not as defined 100 years ago or even 50 years ago.....but as defined in todays values....
 
TODAY....in 2011......Conservatives can and should be defined a "Constitutionalists"........
this is a patently false statement when conservatives endorse the war on marijuana, infringe on gun rights, and ignore the 4th and 5th amendment rights of the accused or suspected.
 
Funny, you continue to totally misrepresent what I said. The rub is that what I was saying was a reflection of what YOU believe.

YOU said that if Libertarians believed in absolutely no gun restrictions at all, then THESE people were libertarians and YOU posted a picture of hitler and mussolini. if there is another context to your stupidity, please explain it.
 

Sometimes the truth is funnier than satire...


Study: Conservatives have larger "fear center"

University College London researchers say brains of the right-leaning have big amygdala, small anterior cingulate

Specifically, the research shows that people with conservative tendencies have a larger amygdala and a smaller anterior cingulate than other people. The amygdala -- typically thought of as the "primitive brain" -- is responsible for reflexive impulses, like fear. The anterior cingulate is thought to be responsible for courage and optimism. This one-two punch could be responsible for many of the anecdotal claims that conservatives "think differently" from others.

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Is there an "aristocracy" in the United States ?
Is there an "aristocracy" in China ???
Was there an "aristocracy" in the USSR?
Is there on an "aristocracy" in Russia ?
How about the UK, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc....

Is the "aristocracy" the same as the "elitists"....?

You really are retaded.
 
As I read the replies to the thread about corporate profits being up 200%, and household income being up only 2%, I can't help but think about what conservatism really is.

When you understand what conservatism is, every argument they make leads to the same end.

Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

When you understand this and view their words, ask the question; will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?

The answer is always YES...


Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Here's the great thing DY, It will be YOU and not me who will prove my assertion. Because anyone can read what you and other 'conservatives' post and ask that simple question:

"Will this lead to some form of an aristocracy?"

And when the answer is YES it will be YOU and not me providing proof...

Let's get you straightened out on some things here. First of all, Conservatives don't believe in "aristocracy" they believe in the opposite, "democracy." But you have conveniently redefined "aristocracy" to mean what you need for it to mean, in order to make your invalid point. This is your first mistake. Wikipedia defines "aristocracy" as a form of government in which the "most qualified" rule. Now, what is wrong with that in principle? Shouldn't the most qualified be in charge? Well, the problem is, when all the power is controlled by only the elite few who are "qualified" then democracy fails, the will and voice of the people is silenced. No Conservative I have ever known, is in favor of silencing the will and voice of the people.

The next thing you are in error on, is the delineation between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe in free market capitalism, and they believe this is the best way for the most people to experience prosperity in an open democratic society. Liberals believe in Statism, and they believe the power of government should be used to ensure social justice through social engineering and wealth redistribution. NEO-Conservatives (NEOCONS) believe in global capitalism, and they believe the solution to many of the world's problems of wealth inequity can be solved with implementation of global capitalist measures, however that might be accomplished. NEO-Liberals believe in global statism, modeled after European Marxist Socialism, and they believe this will lead to equity in the world.

The problem with Liberalism and Neo-liberalism, is the principle of statism always fails and collapses. You see, government doesn't produce anything, they don't generate wealth of any kind. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from the producers in society. Now, this works for some small isolated countries to a certain degree, but whenever the principles are applied to large populations, the producers simply become demotivated and despair sets in, then the system totally collapses because there is no longer a source of wealth for the statist government to operate on.

Over 70 years of brainwashing by Communists and Socialist Marxists, has resulted in a large number of our population to be under the delusion that things are free, that our government can take care of our needs with some mythical unlimited pile of money it has at its disposal. The bottom line is, nothing is ever free. Anything our government provides for us, someone has to pay for. Any benefit or service our government offers, has to be funded on the backs of the producers. When unemployment begins to creep up near 10% or more, where are these producers? Well, they are at home drawing 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, further exasperating the problem. This is why statist systems ultimately collapse, and once they begin the slide down, there is no stopping it until we reach the bottom.

Okay... now, modern American liberals, they have been conditioned to believe that what they advocate and promote, is "helping" the little guy... the common man, and what they are fighting and opposing, is the conglomerate, the wealthy aristocrat, the corporate machine. Nothing could be further from the truth, because oppressing capitalism is eventually what will cause economic catastrophe, and all except the very rich, will be fighting over bread crumbs. Liberals are not "helping" the little guy, they are systematically ensuring everyone except the aristocratic elites, will suffer in the end. Conservatives believe in the power of individuals, and through the free market of ideas, and with capitalist initiatives, ANY person has the capacity for prosperity and wealth. It's a simple matter of.... is it "help" to dole out "charity" to someone, or is it "help" to empower them?
 
this is a patently false statement when conservatives endorse the war on marijuana, infringe on gun rights, and ignore the 4th and 5th amendment rights of the accused or suspected.
:You'll have to be more specific for a debate and that could be a lengthy thread....

Society as a whole endorses the war on drugs and their place in society.....it is not a political issue but a social issue.....
Gun rights are spelled out in the Constitution and as with EVERY right, it comes with limitations....you don't think you should have a ICBM in you arsenal do you ?
rights of the accused or suspected ???? Thats needs clarification....each has different rights and different safeguards to consider....they are again up to conclusion based on Constitutional debate and application....
 
You really are retaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_Un ited_States
http://current.com/news/91336104_obama-and-all-other-us-presidents-are-related-except-for-one.htm


Interestingly, during this span of time, only 1/3 of the presidents should be related. You don't think this is an aristocracy? In the presidential races of this millenia, Kerry, Palin, McCain are all also cousins in this family. Clearly at some point, after Van Burren, the family must have realised that both candidates MUST be family members, or there would be a chance of losing an election.

As to Saudi Arabia, of course it is an aristocracy, it is a monarchy, the house of Saud, after which the country is named.
It is this system that you unwittingly seek to CONSERVE with your insipid defences of everything conservative, you fucking idiot. To them, the rest of us are but peasents, valueless in every way. They care nothing about how many of us die in their needless wars, or starve to death or die from insuficient medical care, and you and other mindless morons like you, who gain NOTHING from them, continue to support them.
 
Let's get you straightened out on some things here. First of all, Conservatives don't believe in "aristocracy" they believe in the opposite, "democracy." But you have conveniently redefined "aristocracy" to mean what you need for it to mean, in order to make your invalid point. This is your first mistake. Wikipedia defines "aristocracy" as a form of government in which the "most qualified" rule. Now, what is wrong with that in principle? Shouldn't the most qualified be in charge? Well, the problem is, when all the power is controlled by only the elite few who are "qualified" then democracy fails, the will and voice of the people is silenced. No Conservative I have ever known, is in favor of silencing the will and voice of the people.

The next thing you are in error on, is the delineation between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives believe in free market capitalism, and they believe this is the best way for the most people to experience prosperity in an open democratic society. Liberals believe in Statism, and they believe the power of government should be used to ensure social justice through social engineering and wealth redistribution. NEO-Conservatives (NEOCONS) believe in global capitalism, and they believe the solution to many of the world's problems of wealth inequity can be solved with implementation of global capitalist measures, however that might be accomplished. NEO-Liberals believe in global statism, modeled after European Marxist Socialism, and they believe this will lead to equity in the world.

The problem with Liberalism and Neo-liberalism, is the principle of statism always fails and collapses. You see, government doesn't produce anything, they don't generate wealth of any kind. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from the producers in society. Now, this works for some small isolated countries to a certain degree, but whenever the principles are applied to large populations, the producers simply become demotivated and despair sets in, then the system totally collapses because there is no longer a source of wealth for the statist government to operate on.

Over 70 years of brainwashing by Communists and Socialist Marxists, has resulted in a large number of our population to be under the delusion that things are free, that our government can take care of our needs with some mythical unlimited pile of money it has at its disposal. The bottom line is, nothing is ever free. Anything our government provides for us, someone has to pay for. Any benefit or service our government offers, has to be funded on the backs of the producers. When unemployment begins to creep up near 10% or more, where are these producers? Well, they are at home drawing 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, further exasperating the problem. This is why statist systems ultimately collapse, and once they begin the slide down, there is no stopping it until we reach the bottom.

Okay... now, modern American liberals, they have been conditioned to believe that what they advocate and promote, is "helping" the little guy... the common man, and what they are fighting and opposing, is the conglomerate, the wealthy aristocrat, the corporate machine. Nothing could be further from the truth, because oppressing capitalism is eventually what will cause economic catastrophe, and all except the very rich, will be fighting over bread crumbs. Liberals are not "helping" the little guy, they are systematically ensuring everyone except the aristocratic elites, will suffer in the end. Conservatives believe in the power of individuals, and through the free market of ideas, and with capitalist initiatives, ANY person has the capacity for prosperity and wealth. It's a simple matter of.... is it "help" to dole out "charity" to someone, or is it "help" to empower them?

You are the perfect product of the system Dix. It is not lbs or cons that are the problem,all that is just a distraction.
 
You are the perfect product of the system Dix. It is not lbs or cons that are the problem,all that is just a distraction.

It's relatively easy for someone of limited intellectual capacity to make a statement like this. "Product of the system?" What does that mean, really? How am I to argue with that? And if libs or cons are not the problem, what IS the problem? How can one's ideology be considered "a distraction?" You see, what you posted doesn't even make rational sense, it doesn't withstand the scrutiny of evaluation. Perhaps you could have elaborated more, but you didn't. That tells me, you really don't know what you just said, it merely sounded good at the time.
 
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