Indiana GOP Rep Thinks Women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion

[WinterBorn]

We could use the "Earth Mother" images to decipher that they probably thought it was magic and later ones, much like you, thought that they magically become imbued with humanity after they pass the birth canal.

But then we used this thing called progress and science to find out that they were wrong that there is a fully developed and thinking human infant in there just before birth and that prior to that it was a developing human fetus.

One of the things that is ignored all too often is the developmental stages of the fetus. The majority of the differentiation and development happens early in the pregnancy. The bulk of the later months of the pregnancy is simply growth in size.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

A fetus is composed of human material just as a liver or kidney is composed of human material although none are human beings.

Ah... now we get to the ignorance of the pro-abortionists. A fetus is not the same as the liver or kidney. A fetus contains the COMPLETE genetic code of an ENTIRELY UNIQUE human life. The liver will always be just a liver, the heart a heart, the kidney a kidney.

The fetus is a STAGE in human development. A kidney is not, nor is a liver.

The stupidity of your above argument is quite astounding.... yet typical of a pro-abortionist.

There is no justification to kill an innocent human being. That is the point.

Yet you support abortions....

The vast majority of problem pregnancies are due to the woman's faulty body. It goes against everything our society stands for to permit the killing of an innocent human being so either the woman is compelled to bring the fetus to term or a fetus is not a human being and she is permitted to abort.

That is why I stated in the case of rape... it is two morally wrong choices that are left as options.

In the case of a woman's life.... her life carries no less weight than the life of the child. But if one of the two can be saved should the other perish, then who is to decide? It has to be the mother that makes that call.

I agree it must be the woman's choice because a fetus is not a human being. By what logic can one say it's OK to kill an innocent human being due to the actions of another? Or the mental state of another?

Again, it is indisputable that the child is human and alive. It is a human life. You calling the child by a STAGE of development doesn't change that fact. That is like running around pretending that if you call a child a 'toddler' that somehow dehumanizes the child. It does not.

The reason we're confronted with situations like rape or problem pregnancies and the resulting moral and ethical dilemmas is because we're trying to classify something that is not a human being as a human being.

Which again is complete bullshit. Your pretending it is not a human life doesn't change the fact that it is. Others in history have used similar arguments to justify their taking of innocent lives. they were just as wrong as you are.

Either a fetus is a human being

Again, it is. No matter how many times you try to spin this.

and nothing short of the mother's certain death justifies the death of the fetus

Which is kind of the point.

and even then it's absurd to kill a healthy, innocent human being so a defective one may live

So a 'defective one' may live? It is absurdity to claim that the fetus is defective.

Classifying a fetus as a human being and according it the sanctity we bestow on human beings while, at the same time, weighing it's value compared to how it came into existence or the extent of damage a woman with an already faulty body may acquire makes a complete mockery of the entire concept.

The above is just rambling incoherent nonsense.

 

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What do you think our ancestors thought fetuses were?

They called them children... hence the phrase 'she is with child'

They didn't call the unborn child by stages of development because they didn't have the capability to see what we see with current technology.

 

[Onceler]

No matter where you stand on this issue, about half of the country thinks you're wrong. And half the country isn't stupid, or unreasonable. There is a rift on abortion that will likely never be settled.

The only thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that we need to reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies, and abortions. I doubt there is anyone who wouldn't want 0 abortions in an ideal world.

There may actually be some truth to the OP, which is something I hadn't even thought of. It's just one of many problems that would likely arise from making abortion illegal. People should focus their energy where it can make a difference: improving the quality of sex education and availability of birth control, as well as counseling....

 

[NOVA]

A fetus is composed of human material just as a liver or kidney is composed of human material although none are human beings. .....Apple

Can you believe an adult, an adult educated and living in 2011's western world....can make an seriously believe a statement like this....?

 

[NOVA]

No matter where you stand on this issue, about half of the country thinks you're wrong. And half the country isn't stupid, or unreasonable. There is a rift on abortion that will likely never be settled.

The only thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that we need to reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies, and abortions. I doubt there is anyone who wouldn't want 0 abortions in an ideal world.

There may actually be some truth to the OP, which is something I hadn't even thought of. It's just one of many problems that would likely arise from making abortion illegal. People should focus their energy where it can make a difference: improving the quality of sex education and availability of birth control, as well as counseling....

Why don't you actually show some balls and comment on the topic of the thread as it is now, which is, Apples contention that a fetus is NOT a human being....

 

[Bfgrn]

The irony of the whole abortion issue: It was created by right wing evangelicals because the IRS was going after Robert Jones University for unfair racial practices and picked up by Republicans to use as a political wedge issue. The same people with no regard for the crawling and the walking suddenly care about a fetus...

 

[Rationalist]

Where I part ways with Apple is his apparent belief that abortion is harmless, amoral, or even desirable. I am pro-choice, yet I do not pretend that abortion is not a harmful procedure. Typically, it causes emotional harm to the woman (and potentially the father of the unborn infant) and reduces the value of life within a society. My reasons for being pro-choice (at least, as far as the 1st trimester is concerned) is because I believe a ban on abortion would constitute a violation of privacy, even if it could be enforced (I do not believe it can). Furthermore, hundreds, possibly thousands of women would die every year as a result of botched, back-alley abortions.

 

[Onceler]

Why don't you actually show some balls and comment on the topic of the thread as it is now, which is, Apples contention that a fetus is NOT a human being....

Don't you usually get upset when people veer away from the OP?

I have argued the fetus issue on approximately 114 threads on this board along; maybe 115. You can search "fetus" or "zygote" under my moniker for my views, which I have explained at length, over & over again. I don't really see a need to repeat them just because yet another thread relating to abortion devolves into a debate about the fetus...

 

[WinterBorn]

The irony of the whole abortion issue: It was created by right wing evangelicals because the IRS was going after Robert Jones University for unfair racial practices and picked up by Republicans to use as a political wedge issue. The same people with no regard for the crawling and the walking suddenly care about a fetus...

The christians you so blatantly slander see abortion as murder. Whether you agree or disagree with their belief, at least show a modicum of respect for their beliefs.

And what the hell is the "...no regard for the crawling and the walking..."?

 

[NOVA]

The irony of the whole abortion issue: It was created by right wing evangelicals because the IRS was going after Robert Jones University for unfair racial practices and picked up by Republicans to use as a political wedge issue. The same people with no regard for the crawling and the walking suddenly care about a fetus...

Gotta hand it to you lad....when it comes to stupid posts, you sure as hell give Apple a run for his money.....

 

[NOVA]

Don't you usually get upset when people veer away from the OP?

I have argued the fetus issue on approximately 114 threads on this board along; maybe 115. You can search "fetus" or "zygote" under my moniker for my views, which I have explained at length, over & over again. I don't really see a need to repeat them just because yet another thread relating to abortion devolves into a debate about the fetus...

Upset ? Not usually....threads have a habit of evolving as they go on and on....I expect most folks to either continue in that evolution or STFU if they have nothing to add....

 

[Onceler]

The christians you so blatantly slander see abortion as murder. Whether you agree or disagree with their belief, at least show a modicum of respect for their beliefs.

And what the hell is the "...no regard for the crawling and the walking..."?

You don't mean all Christians, do you?

 

[WinterBorn]

You don't mean all Christians, do you?

No I don't. I was using the term instead of the more inflammatory "right wing evangelicals" because many of the pro-life people are simply people following their beliefs and trying to stop what they see as murder on a huge scale.

Many, many of the pro-lifers are not the "ban abortion regardless of the reason" evangelicals they are portrayed to be.

 

[Onceler]

No I don't. I was using the term instead of the more inflammatory "right wing evangelicals" because many of the pro-life people are simply people following their beliefs and trying to stop what they see as murder on a huge scale.

Many, many of the pro-lifers are not the "ban abortion regardless of the reason" evangelicals they are portrayed to be.

Thanks for clarifying; I figured that's what you were going for, but just wanted to check.

And I agree on pro-lifers. People tend to portray both sides as pretty one-dimensional, but it's a complex issue, and people's views reflect that. I know plenty of pro-lifers who aren't even all that religious...

 

[Based Chad]

Thanks for clarifying; I figured that's what you were going for, but just wanted to check.

And I agree on pro-lifers. People tend to portray both sides as pretty one-dimensional, but it's a complex issue, and people's views reflect that. I know plenty of pro-lifers who aren't even all that religious...

Pro choicers really do themselves a disservice when they deny the science based fact that life begins at conception. that's biology, not religious zealotry.

 

[WinterBorn]

Thanks for clarifying; I figured that's what you were going for, but just wanted to check.

And I agree on pro-lifers. People tend to portray both sides as pretty one-dimensional, but it's a complex issue, and people's views reflect that. I know plenty of pro-lifers who aren't even all that religious...

I think the media likes to portray it as a battle between "no abortions ever" and "abortions for any women at any stage in the pregnancy". And that is simply inaccurate.

 

[NOVA]

I think the media likes to portray it as a battle between "no abortions ever" and "abortions for any women at any stage in the pregnancy". And that is simply inaccurate.

Well, thats the MO of the Democrats .... state every difference between the partys in the 'extreme'.... Schumer was just caught on an open saying exactly that.....thats why they can never negotiate...they lie from the onset about every issue and express the opposition as extremists....

 

[Onceler]

Well, thats the MO of the Democrats .... state every difference between the partys in the 'extreme'.... Schumer was just caught on an open saying exactly that.....thats why they can never negotiate...they lie from the onset about every issue and express the opposition as extremists....

It's really silly, and extremely partisan, to suggest that only one party engages in the practice of portraying the other as extreme.

Your post is really telling...

 

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The christians you so blatantly slander see abortion as murder. Whether you agree or disagree with their belief, at least show a modicum of respect for their beliefs.

And what the hell is the "...no regard for the crawling and the walking..."?

He thinks that those who oppose abortion only care about the child until it is born and then we all suddenly stop caring about them. You see, his dem masters have brainwashed him well.... he is now a good lil parrot.