Indiana GOP Rep Thinks Women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion

WinterBorn said:
I believe ID has already stated that she would accept a compromise for certain situations.
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Rape only if it can be proven. You right wingers always reveal YOUR character, or lack of it, not other people's. You believe everyone would lie, because YOU would.

BTW, are you ID?
 
Bfgrn said:
Rape.

BTW, are you ID?
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No I am not ID. Were you under the impression that you were sending a private email instead of posting on a public forum?

Yes, she stated she would accept rape as a reason for an abortion. So she has already stated the answer to your question.
 
Bfgrn said:
Rape only if it can be proven.
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Is that what she said? I think the discussion has been about women who come up 6 weeks afterwards and claim rape. If the woman was raped she should be treated and helped. But there should be limitations, to avoid someone using the bogus claim to obtain an abortion.

Bfgrn said:
You right wingers always reveal YOUR character, or lack of it, not other people's. You believe everyone would lie, because YOU would.
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Spare the dimestore psychobabble and stick with the topic.

Bfgrn said:
BTW, are you ID?
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Were you still under the impression that you were having a private conversation with ID?
 
apple0154 said:
That's exactly the problem I have with anti-abortionist's rhetoric "fetuses are human beings", "life is sacred", etc.
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The only rhetoric is coming from you. The 'fetus' is a descriptive term used to describe the stage of development.

There is NO question that the 'fetus' is human. None. It is genetically impossible for it to be anything other than human.

There is NO question that the fetus is alive. If it were dead, it would not be growing and developing.

If it is human and it is alive, it is a human life. No matter how much rhetoric you put forth, no matter how much you try and spin.... that will not change.

What degree of suffering by one individual is equivalent to or justifiable regarding the killing of another innocent individual?
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So tell us... what is your answer to the above? Given that you are pro-abortion.... I would love to hear your explanation.

Whether it's a 12 year old girl or the mother's health what value do we put on the life of a human being?
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If the mothers life is in danger then the value is equivalent.... one life vs. one life.

In the case of rape... the woman's choice to have sex has been taken from her. so now you are left with two morally wrong choices.... do you force her to carry to term? or do you provide the option to take the life of the child? Neither can be justified by anyone other than the woman. Thus, it must be her choice.
 
WinterBorn said:
No I am not ID. Were you under the impression that you were sending a private email instead of posting on a public forum?

Yes, she stated she would accept rape as a reason for an abortion. So she has already stated the answer to your question.
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No, I was under the impression I was asking ID a question. If you are ID, then my question is answered. If you are not ID, then you must be her mommy.
 
Bfgrn said:
No, I was under the impression I was asking ID a question. If you are ID, then my question is answered. If you are not ID, then you must be her mommy.
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Hmm, its funny that when I asked you a direct question on another thread you had no problem with others jumping in. But here you have a problem with it.

On that same other thread you tried to blast me for "polarizing the issue", but here you are doing that very thing.
 
apple0154 said:
I don't see the point of anti-abortionists getting all excited about science. I mean, does it really matter if ancient people believed the sperm grew into a baby or they weren't aware of the fertilization process in regards to abortion? They were aware a process was taking place which would result in a child being born at some later date. How does being aware of the process change anything?

I do agree if abortion laws are tightened there will be a jump in rape accusations.
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wow...I'm surprised at your logical and common sense approach....you usually go off on some wild tangent of bullshit that doesn't even pertain to the topic....

The representative may be wrong on some things but she is spot on that women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion if her overly restrictive rule is approved...
 
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Bfgrn said:
Rape only if it can be proven. You right wingers always reveal YOUR character, or lack of it, not other people's. You believe everyone would lie, because YOU would.

BTW, are you ID?
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Amazing, you come up with the stupid pinhead posts and apple sounds logical and sane....:palm:
 
WinterBorn said:
Hmm, its funny that when I asked you a direct question on another thread you had no problem with others jumping in. But here you have a problem with it.

On that same other thread you tried to blast me for "polarizing the issue", but here you are doing that very thing.
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If you keep saying the same lie over and over, does it magically become true? The paramount issue on that thread was ethics. Thanks for proving you don't have any.
 
apple0154 said:
I don't see the point of anti-abortionists getting all excited about science. I mean, does it really matter if ancient people believed the sperm grew into a baby or they weren't aware of the fertilization process in regards to abortion? They were aware a process was taking place which would result in a child being born at some later date. How does being aware of the process change anything?

I do agree if abortion laws are tightened there will be a jump in rape accusations.
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Pro-life people care about the science because that is what proves people like you are simply being foolish on this topic.
 
Bfgrn said:
If you keep saying the same lie over and over, does it magically become true? The paramount issue on that thread was ethics. Thanks for proving you don't have any.
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The paramount issue on that thread was ethics? lol So you climbing all over the insurance co. and leaving the surgeons and hospitals looking innocent, all while screaming "you put money before lives" is you being eithical???

That is truly funny, Bfoon.
 
WinterBorn said:
The paramount issue on that thread was ethics? lol So you climbing all over the insurance co. and leaving the surgeons and hospitals looking innocent, all while screaming "you put money before lives" is you being eithical???

That is truly funny, Bfoon.
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Yes, ethics. Do you support business ethics WB? Do you believe it is important?
 
Bfgrn said:
Yes, ethics. Do you support business ethics WB? Do you believe it is important?
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How about you go find the relevant thread and post that question, and I will be happy to discuss it there.



I believe this thread is about the law concerning using rape as a justification for an abortion.
 
Superfreak said:
The only rhetoric is coming from you. The 'fetus' is a descriptive term used to describe the stage of development.

There is NO question that the 'fetus' is human. None. It is genetically impossible for it to be anything other than human.

There is NO question that the fetus is alive. If it were dead, it would not be growing and developing.

If it is human and it is alive, it is a human life. No matter how much rhetoric you put forth, no matter how much you try and spin.... that will not change.
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A fetus is composed of human material just as a liver or kidney is composed of human material although none are human beings.

So tell us... what is your answer to the above? (The question being: What degree of suffering by one individual is equivalent to or justifiable regarding the killing of another innocent individual?) Given that you are pro-abortion.... I would love to hear your explanation.
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There is no justification to kill an innocent human being. That is the point.

The vast majority of problem pregnancies are due to the woman's faulty body. It goes against everything our society stands for to permit the killing of an innocent human being so either the woman is compelled to bring the fetus to term or a fetus is not a human being and she is permitted to abort.

If the mothers life is in danger then the value is equivalent.... one life vs. one life.
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It's seldom a straight cut case of the woman's life. More likely a problem pregnancy will result in physical damage but not certain death. The woman may suffer organ damage or a stroke. Do we kill an innocent human being, assuming a fetus is a human being, in order to prevent a woman from having a stroke and being partially paralyzed? Does the prevention of being confined to a wheelchair justify the killing of an innocent human being? If so, what is the life of a human being worth?

In the case of rape... the woman's choice to have sex has been taken from her. so now you are left with two morally wrong choices.... do you force her to carry to term? or do you provide the option to take the life of the child? Neither can be justified by anyone other than the woman. Thus, it must be her choice.
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I agree it must be the woman's choice because a fetus is not a human being. By what logic can one say it's OK to kill an innocent human being due to the actions of another? Or the mental state of another?

The reason we're confronted with situations like rape or problem pregnancies and the resulting moral and ethical dilemmas is because we're trying to classify something that is not a human being as a human being. We can't apply the same rules/codes of conduct so we twist and contort and make exceptions and negotiate/bargain with what is supposed to be the life of a human being.

Either a fetus is a human being and nothing short of the mother's certain death justifies the death of the fetus, and even then it's absurd to kill a healthy, innocent human being so a defective one may live, or a fetus is not a human being. Classifying a fetus as a human being and according it the sanctity we bestow on human beings while, at the same time, weighing it's value compared to how it came into existence or the extent of damage a woman with an already faulty body may acquire makes a complete mockery of the entire concept.
 
bravo said:
wow...I'm surprised at your logical and common sense approach....you usually go off on some wild tangent of bullshit that doesn't even pertain to the topic....

The representative may be wrong on some things but she is spot on that women Will Fake Rape Or Incest To Get An Abortion if her overly restrictive rule is approved...
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Actually, I believe it's your comprehension improvement enabling you to understand my posts.

In any case, well done!
 
apple0154 said:
What do you think our ancestors thought fetuses were?
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We could use the "Earth Mother" images to decipher that they probably thought it was magic and later ones, much like you, thought that they magically become imbued with humanity after they pass the birth canal.

But then we used this thing called progress and science to find out that they were wrong that there is a fully developed and thinking human infant in there just before birth and that prior to that it was a developing human fetus.
 
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