So.... is Obama a war criminal yet?

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Bush never made such a promise.



Wolfowicz never "admitted" anything, he made some kind of bogus claim... nothing was ever substantiated or proven regarding this, after NUMEROUS inquiries, hearings, and reports.



"The British" never wrote any such a thing. A British journalist may have claimed this, is that what you meant?



Never happened in the world we all live in. Both the Senate Select Committee and the British Dulfer Report, concluded that US and British governments acted based on legitimate intelligence information, which turned out to be flawed. There was never any proof that anyone "manipulated" anything, and pinheads tried in vain for nearly 8 years, to make that case. I guess you think if you can just keep repeating the lie enough???



He was given the same intelligence Congress was given, and the president had available. His assignment was to present the case before the UN, which he did.



Cheney never predicted any such thing.



As I said before, many of the circumstances are similar, except the fact that Saddam was much more brutal to his people, and posed more of a security risk to the United States, particularly in that region. We also went through about 10 years of UN sanctions that didn't work, no-fly zones, threatening to take "serious measures" and getting Congressional approval to use force, as well as forming a coalition of nations to help. The BIG difference, is who is the president now, versus who was the president then.

What colour is the sky where you are, Trixie?

 

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is a libya an imminent threat to the US? did libya attack us? what basis does obama have to invade the country with warbirds and over 150 missiles?

still waiting onceler

 

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The NIE is in fact the intelligence presented to Bush in Oct. 2002 by the 16 US intelligence agencys with input from various foreign intell agencys....

Bush said nothing more and nothing less that what was presented to him by this intelligence.....

 

[Onceler]

is a libya an imminent threat to the US? did libya attack us? what basis does obama have to invade the country with warbirds and over 150 missiles?

still waiting onceler

What are you waiting for?

No, Libya is not an imminent threat to the US. And Libya did not attack us. Oh...do I need to mention again that I'm against our involvement in Libya?

Now, why didn't you answer my question? I seem to recall that you supported the Iraq decision. Do you support our action in Libya?

 

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This guy never said that, the British never wrote that, Cheney never said that.

Everything I wrote is true. If Bush was a truthful man, it would basically mean that everyone else was lying, and he was the only one w/ integrity.

Good luck w/ that.

everything you wrote is true...provide a link to cheney's six month statement and the senate committee report that says the bush admin "manipulated" intel....

 

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What are you waiting for?

No, Libya is not an imminent threat to the US. And Libya did not attack us. Oh...do I need to mention again that I'm against our involvement in Libya?

Now, why didn't you answer my question? I seem to recall that you supported the Iraq decision. Do you support our action in Libya?

you're against it? LOL....you're defending obama at every turn. you haven't condemned him...you do however argue with anyone on the right about this...you love obama to pieces and must defend him

you didn't actually answer all my questions - what basis does obama have for invading libya with warbirds and over 150 missiles?

 

[Onceler]

everything you wrote is true...provide a link to cheney's six month statement and the senate committee report that says the bush admin "manipulated" intel....

You know, I'm wrong - you & Dixie are right. Cheney never said 6 months; he actually said we'd measure the time in "weeks, not months." You can google.

And you can also google the Senate's findings on manipulation of pre-war intel, which is well-documented. You know, I'm frankly amazed that you know so little about Iraq, and feel comfortable comparing it to Libya...

 

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You know, I'm wrong - you & Dixie are right. Cheney never said 6 months; he actually said we'd measure the time in "weeks, not months." You can google.

And you can also google the Senate's findings on manipulation of pre-war intel, which is well-documented. You know, I'm frankly amazed that you know so little about Iraq, and feel comfortable comparing it to Libya...

so your statement about six months is not actually true. you made the claim about manipulation, YOU provide the link. what is amazing is that you want to say that libya and iraq have nothing in common. that is naive, stupid and plain dumb. now, we've already established one lie, back up the manipulation claim, i couldn't find it.

 

[Onceler]

you're against it? LOL....you're defending obama at every turn. you haven't condemned him...you do however argue with anyone on the right about this...you love obama to pieces and must defend him

you didn't actually answer all my questions - what basis does obama have for invading libya with warbirds and over 150 missiles?

I'm not "defending Obama at every turn." It's how you read things. Most of what I have done is take issue with your incredibly partisan, ridiculous comparison of Libya & Iraq. If you go back through my statements, I'm not talking about Obama much. I don't support him here. And you're still not answering my question. Methinks you know who the hypocrite is here.

I think it has to be disappointing for you guys how much integrity the left has on this one; most of the anti-war folks from before are against Libya. Just today, the dreaded MSNBC had a front page article on it.

And all you do is ignore posters like bravs, who has taken diametrically opposite positions on Iraq & Libya, simply because of D's & R's. Like I said, the only military action I ever supported was under an R.

 

[Onceler]

so your statement about six months is not actually true. you made the claim about manipulation, YOU provide the link. what is amazing is that you want to say that libya and iraq have nothing in common. that is naive, stupid and plain dumb. now, we've already established one lie, back up the manipulation claim, i couldn't find it.

I admitted the 1st part. It actually was "weeks, not months," which you apparently found. You think that sounds better do you?

The Senate report was fairly well-publicized; it's easy to find. It's from 2007, and was the 2nd part of a long-term investigation into pre-war intel. It wasn't huge news because Bush was a lame duck then.

Like I said...how can you say you don't know about these things, and compare the situations? Your ignorance is astounding...

 

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This guy never said that, the British never wrote that, Cheney never said that.

Everything I wrote is true. If Bush was a truthful man, it would basically mean that everyone else was lying, and he was the only one w/ integrity.

Good luck w/ that.

Hell Onceler, you can do better....as long as your gonna repeat everything that any left wingnut with an agenda says as fact, you can't leave out :

That Laura Bush murdered a classmate with her car
GW was a coke addict
Connie Rice was GW's girlfriend
That GW invaded Iraq because Saddam tryed to kill his daddy
GW's daughters are drunks....
Bush stole the 2000 election
Bush stole the 2004 election
Bush was appointed President by the SCOTUS
GW dodged the draft (and Clinton didn't)
GW was AWOL from the Nat. Guard
Daddy Bush get him in the TNG

hell, there a million of 'em....bone up on it....

 

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I admitted the 1st part. It actually was "weeks, not months," which you apparently found. You think that sounds better do you?

The Senate report was fairly well-publicized; it's easy to find. It's from 2007, and was the 2nd part of a long-term investigation into pre-war intel. It wasn't huge news because Bush was a lame duck then.

Like I said...how can you say you don't know about these things, and compare the situations? Your ignorance is astounding...

and once again onceler makes claims he cannot back up...i'm calling bullshit

 

[Onceler]

The report title is "Prewar Intelligence on Postwar Iraq"; phase II was released on June 5, 2008. If you want to look on Wikipedia, it's under "Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq," by the Select Committee on Intelligence.

It's really amazing you haven't even heard of this stuff, and here you are talking about comparisons.

 

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This guy never said that, the British never wrote that, Cheney never said that.

Everything I wrote is true. If Bush was a truthful man, it would basically mean that everyone else was lying, and he was the only one w/ integrity.

Good luck w/ that.

If the things you said were true, they would have tried and convicted Bush and Cheney of War Crimes, after Bush's impeachment. Obviously, that didn't happen, which means you are completely full of left-wing shit.

 

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I'm not "defending Obama at every turn." It's how you read things. Most of what I have done is take issue with your incredibly partisan, ridiculous comparison of Libya & Iraq. If you go back through my statements, I'm not talking about Obama much. I don't support him here. And you're still not answering my question. Methinks you know who the hypocrite is here.

I think it has to be disappointing for you guys how much integrity the left has on this one; most of the anti-war folks from before are against Libya. Just today, the dreaded MSNBC had a front page article on it.

And all you do is ignore posters like bravs, who has taken diametrically opposite positions on Iraq & Libya, simply because of D's & R's. Like I said, the only military action I ever supported was under an R.

Why keep lying about me and my views on the issue....


BUSH....Iraq was debated by Congress and a WAR RESOLUTION was passed with bi-partisan support
OBAMA..Libya does not pose ANY threat to the United States and has not attacked the US in any way for many years, Obama did not seek the approval of Congress.

Am I correct or not ?

 

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I'm not "defending Obama at every turn." It's how you read things. Most of what I have done is take issue with your incredibly partisan, ridiculous comparison of Libya & Iraq. If you go back through my statements, I'm not talking about Obama much. I don't support him here. And you're still not answering my question. Methinks you know who the hypocrite is here.

I think it has to be disappointing for you guys how much integrity the left has on this one; most of the anti-war folks from before are against Libya. Just today, the dreaded MSNBC had a front page article on it.

And all you do is ignore posters like bravs, who has taken diametrically opposite positions on Iraq & Libya, simply because of D's & R's. Like I said, the only military action I ever supported was under an R.

bravo's reasons are sound. only a dishonest hack like yourself would claim he is taking the opposite position based on the letter of the president. if he had not repeatedly spelled out his reasons, you MIGHT have a point, but since he has repeatedly spelled out his reasons, you're left looking like a dishonest prick.

at this point, i'm not sure i support obama's actions. i did at first, but i find it puzzling he has no end plan, apparently did not consult with congress, claims this action isn't about removing gaddafi (which appears to be at odds with some in his admin), it appears obama has no clue what we're doing there. if we are there to stop gaddafi, we need boots on the ground and a clear game plan. i don't want this to turn into another iraq where due to poor planning, it has taken far longer than anticipated to allow iraq to have an independent democracy. then again, we are still in afghanistan and despite the surge, afghanistan is still not where it should be.

 

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Why keep lying about me and my views on the issue....


BUSH....Iraq was debated by Congress and a WAR RESOLUTION was passed with bi-partisan support
OBAMA..Libya does not pose ANY threat to the United States and has not attacked the US in any way for many years, Obama did not seek the approval of Congress.

Am I correct or not ?

good point

 

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The report title is "Prewar Intelligence on Postwar Iraq"; phase II was released on June 5, 2008. If you want to look on Wikipedia, it's under "Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq," by the Select Committee on Intelligence.

It's really amazing you haven't even heard of this stuff, and here you are talking about comparisons.

you can spend all this time talking about it, but you CANNOT actually give the exact quote and link. you're pathetic. i did look at the report on wiki and could not find "manipulation." now, back your claim up or just admit that you said something else that isn't true, despite claiming "everything you said is true"....i'm done doing your homework for you, man up and provide the quote and link.

 

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The report title is "Prewar Intelligence on Postwar Iraq"; phase II was released on June 5, 2008. If you want to look on Wikipedia, it's under "Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq," by the Select Committee on Intelligence.

It's really amazing you haven't even heard of this stuff, and here you are talking about comparisons.

I looked it up, and here is what it says about Phase II of the report...

The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen.Jay Rockefeller twice alleged that the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, or its former head Douglas Feith may have engaged in unlawful activities,[1] Phase II of the report "found nothing to substantiate that claim; nothing unlawful about the "alleged" rogue intelligence operation in the PCTEG , nothing unlawful about the Office of Special Plans, and nothing unlawful about the so-called failure to inform Congress of alleged intelligence activities."[2] The previous year, the chairman released a press statement claiming that it appeared that the office's were "not in compliance with the law."


Now..... what part of "NOTHING UNLAWFUL" are you having trouble with, moron?????

 

[Onceler]

you can spend all this time talking about it, but you CANNOT actually give the exact quote and link. you're pathetic. i did look at the report on wiki and could not find "manipulation." now, back your claim up or just admit that you said something else that isn't true, despite claiming "everything you said is true"....i'm done doing your homework for you, man up and provide the quote and link.

"I'm done doing your homework for you." LOL - can you hear yourself?

Why am I spoon-feeding you this stuff, which you SHOULD KNOW if you're the one making these comparisons? No way you read through the whole Wiki entry; you need to scroll down and read through "phase two." Here's a good phrase from that section, though you probably won't look & will accuse me of making it up:

" It concludes that the US Administration "repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.” These included President Bush's statements of a partnership between Iraq and Al Qa'ida, that Saddam Hussein was preparing to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups, and Iraq's capability to produce chemical weapons."

Idiot. You just got schooled, and badly. And here you are throwing a "good point" at a hack like bravo, for talking about a WAR resolution which doesn't exist.

My work here is done. We know who the hacks are here.