A U.S. recovery that is built on low-paying jobs

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The economy is not creating opportunities at the high end

Before she lost her job last November as a
full-time health department caseworker in
Aurora, Ill., Amy Valle was making $23 an
hour. Now she's paid $10 an hour as a part-
time assistant coordinator in an after-school
program.

"From here on out, it will be a struggle," says
Valle, 32, whose husband lost his $50,000
government job and still is out of work after a
year. "I don't feel like there's any place we can
go to get what we were getting paid."

While the unemployment rate dropped to 9 percent in January, from a two-decade peak of 10.1 percent in October 2009, many of the jobs people are now taking don't match the pay, the hours, or the benefits of the 8.75 million positions that vanished in the recession, according to Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics in Toronto.

This may restrain wage and salary growth, limiting gains in consumer spending, which accounts for 70 percent of the U.S. economy. The good jobs that would trigger a solid boost in spending just don't seem to be there.

"In the last recovery we were adding management jobs at this point, and this time it's disappointing," says Ashworth, who published a report on Jan. 27 about pre- and post-slump employment based on U.S. Labor Dept. data. "The very best jobs, we're still losing those."

Projections from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reinforce his pessimism. While the number of openings for food preparation and serving workers will grow by 394,000 in the decade ending in 2018, the average wage is only $16,430 including tips, based on 2008 data. Meanwhile, the number of posts for financial examiners, who work at financial-services firms to ensure regulatory compliance, will expand by just 11,100. The average pay for examiners is $70,930.

Lowe's, the second-largest U.S. home improvement retailer, typifies the reshuffling of the U.S. workforce. The chain, based in Mooresville, N.C., said on Jan. 25 it is eliminating 1,700 managers responsible for store operations, sales, and administration as profit growth trails that of the larger Home Depot chain. Meanwhile, Lowe's said it will add 8,000 to 10,000 weekend sales positions and is creating a new assistant store manager position.

The trend is troubling for the country's long-term prospects, says Edmund Phelps, who won the Nobel Prize for economics in 2006 and directs the Center on Capitalism and Society at Columbia University in New York. Businesses aren't innovating as much, so companies "just don't seem to require all those relatively high-paid workers they once did," he says.

The health-care industry is one example, the BLS said in a December report on the occupational outlook. As costs continue to rise, "tasks that were previously performed by doctors, nurses, dentists, or other health-care professionals increasingly are being performed by physician assistants, medical assistants, dental hygienists, and physical therapist aides."

Michael Greenstone, a former staff member for the White House Council of Economic Advisers, says it's "premature to make too much of where the particular job creation is occurring," because the "immediate issue is that there are too many people" out of work. "I'm not in favor of ditch-digging, but the first thing is to get more people employed," says Greenstone, an economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Unemployment is a scourge of society right now, and it has to be the front-and-center issue."

Job hunters are adapting, with 60 percent prepared to settle for a full-time position they don't really want or one they're not qualified for, says Dennis Jacobe, chief economist for Washington-based Gallup, based on a survey he conducted last month.

Ken Niswonger, 51, a machine builder by training, spent five months looking for work after losing his job in October 2009. Unable to find anything in his field, he enrolled in a college computer security program to learn new skills. "I'm hoping I can find something entry-level," he says, adding that he'll have to begin his search for an information technology job before he finishes his program. "I'm well aware I might not get what I used to make," he says. "Who knows? Might get a job at $12 to $14 an hour. That's not even $30,000 a year."

By Joshua Zumbrun and Shobhana Chandra

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The economy is not creating opportunities at the high end

Before she lost her job last November as a
full-time health department caseworker in
Aurora, Ill., Amy Valle was making $23 an
hour. Now she's paid $10 an hour as a part-
time assistant coordinator in an after-school
program.

"From here on out, it will be a struggle," says
Valle, 32, whose husband lost his $50,000
government job and still is out of work after a
year. "I don't feel like there's any place we can
go to get what we were getting paid."

While the unemployment rate dropped to 9 percent in January, from a two-decade peak of 10.1 percent in October 2009, many of the jobs people are now taking don't match the pay, the hours, or the benefits of the 8.75 million positions that vanished in the recession, according to Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics in Toronto.

This may restrain wage and salary growth, limiting gains in consumer spending, which accounts for 70 percent of the U.S. economy. The good jobs that would trigger a solid boost in spending just don't seem to be there.

"In the last recovery we were adding management jobs at this point, and this time it's disappointing," says Ashworth, who published a report on Jan. 27 about pre- and post-slump employment based on U.S. Labor Dept. data. "The very best jobs, we're still losing those."

Projections from the Bureau of Labor Statistics reinforce his pessimism. While the number of openings for food preparation and serving workers will grow by 394,000 in the decade ending in 2018, the average wage is only $16,430 including tips, based on 2008 data. Meanwhile, the number of posts for financial examiners, who work at financial-services firms to ensure regulatory compliance, will expand by just 11,100. The average pay for examiners is $70,930.

Lowe's, the second-largest U.S. home improvement retailer, typifies the reshuffling of the U.S. workforce. The chain, based in Mooresville, N.C., said on Jan. 25 it is eliminating 1,700 managers responsible for store operations, sales, and administration as profit growth trails that of the larger Home Depot chain. Meanwhile, Lowe's said it will add 8,000 to 10,000 weekend sales positions and is creating a new assistant store manager position.

The trend is troubling for the country's long-term prospects, says Edmund Phelps, who won the Nobel Prize for economics in 2006 and directs the Center on Capitalism and Society at Columbia University in New York. Businesses aren't innovating as much, so companies "just don't seem to require all those relatively high-paid workers they once did," he says.

The health-care industry is one example, the BLS said in a December report on the occupational outlook. As costs continue to rise, "tasks that were previously performed by doctors, nurses, dentists, or other health-care professionals increasingly are being performed by physician assistants, medical assistants, dental hygienists, and physical therapist aides."

Michael Greenstone, a former staff member for the White House Council of Economic Advisers, says it's "premature to make too much of where the particular job creation is occurring," because the "immediate issue is that there are too many people" out of work. "I'm not in favor of ditch-digging, but the first thing is to get more people employed," says Greenstone, an economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Unemployment is a scourge of society right now, and it has to be the front-and-center issue."

Job hunters are adapting, with 60 percent prepared to settle for a full-time position they don't really want or one they're not qualified for, says Dennis Jacobe, chief economist for Washington-based Gallup, based on a survey he conducted last month.

Ken Niswonger, 51, a machine builder by training, spent five months looking for work after losing his job in October 2009. Unable to find anything in his field, he enrolled in a college computer security program to learn new skills. "I'm hoping I can find something entry-level," he says, adding that he'll have to begin his search for an information technology job before he finishes his program. "I'm well aware I might not get what I used to make," he says. "Who knows? Might get a job at $12 to $14 an hour. That's not even $30,000 a year."

By Joshua Zumbrun and Shobhana Chandra

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Truly funny how many on the left have made the Koch brothers into their new boogie men.

Out of the approximately 70k+ employees, 50k are based in the US. While they do acquire firms overseas and do have another 20k employees around the world, the revenues come back home to the US.

The Kochs are LIBERTARIANS.

They support gay marriage, funding of the arts (privately), advocate for a reduction in defense spending, legalization of drugs etc.... but the left conveniently overlooks these things to pretend the $43,000 contribution to Walker is going to drive Walker policies. The left continues to pretend the Koch's outsource business.
 
Truly funny how many on the left have made the Koch brothers into their new boogie men.

Out of the approximately 70k+ employees, 50k are based in the US. While they do acquire firms overseas and do have another 20k employees around the world, the revenues come back home to the US.

The Kochs are LIBERTARIANS.

They support gay marriage, funding of the arts (privately), advocate for a reduction in defense spending, legalization of drugs etc.... but the left conveniently overlooks these things to pretend the $43,000 contribution to Walker is going to drive Walker policies. The left continues to pretend the Koch's outsource business.

According to local folks the Kochs are some of the countrys biggest polluters and want to eliminate environmental laws to increase their profits as well as pay no taxes. Thus they are buying off tea party representatives to do their bidding for them.
 
Originally Posted by signalmankenneth
The economy is not creating opportunities at the high end

Before she lost her job last November as a
full-time health department caseworker in
Aurora, Ill., Amy Valle was making $23 an
hour. Now she's paid $10 an hour as a part-
time assistant coordinator in an after-school
program.

"From here on out, it will be a struggle," says
Valle, 32, whose husband lost his $50,000
government job and still is out of work after a
year. "I don't feel like there's any place we can
go to get what we were getting paid."

WOW Ken...you don't really believe that these two government jobs that were lost are on par with the economically devestated private sector job losses do you? If we are to actually recover there are going to have to be a lot of public jobs lost- and on a state and local level a re-negotiation of how public unions operate.
 
According to local folks the Kochs are some of the countrys biggest polluters and want to eliminate environmental laws to increase their profits as well as pay no taxes. Thus they are buying off tea party representatives to do their bidding for them.

yeah, that is another of the lines of bullshit the left tries to push regarding Koch Industries.
 
Neither do the public unions.

The public unions ARE you and I, what are you talking about? I have friends who belong to the public unions, and neighbors...my daughter belongs to a public union. I know the union leaders up here and they are not the bad guys either, and they do care about their union workers.

These people are not the problem.
 
The public unions ARE you and I, what are you talking about? I have friends who belong to the public unions, and neighbors...my daughter belongs to a public union. I know the union leaders up here and they are not the bad guys either, and they do care about their union workers.

These people are not the problem.

ROFLMAO.... no, they are NOT you and I. They work in direct opposition to you and I.

Yes... they care about their UNION workers. They could give a shit about the private workers who they ask to pay for their salaries and benefits.

There is NO valid reason for a public union. None.

Yes... those people ARE the problem.
 
ROFLMAO.... no, they are NOT you and I. They work in direct opposition to you and I.

Yes... they care about their UNION workers. They could give a shit about the private workers who they ask to pay for their salaries and benefits.

There is NO valid reason for a public union. None.

Yes... those people ARE the problem.

I happen to disagree and they do have their place and have done a lot of good for my friends, including providing her with a lawyer when she needed one...

My friends are very concerned about private workers. They work for their wages, at least the people that I know do.

You hate unions, you aren't being reasonable about this.
 
how the hell do you figure that? The police union is NOT you and I. The teachers union is NOT you and I.

Because people like Rana open their mouths and swallow their heads all the time?

Public employee unions at the state and local levels need to be reorganized along the lines of federal public unions...

We, the private sector pay the salaries of public workers for services that everyone benefits from...But we should not be forced to pay for benefits that far exceed that which we can't afford for ourselves...
 
I happen to disagree and they do have their place and have done a lot of good for my friends, including providing her with a lawyer when she needed one...

My friends are very concerned about private workers. They work for their wages, at least the people that I know do.

You hate unions, you aren't being reasonable about this.

I don't hate the concept of unions as they did a lot for private sector workers in the early 1900's. I do hate what unions have become today.... especially public unions.

Tell us... what do public unions do that is for the public good? Who do they bargain against? Who do they 'win' concessions from? The answer to both is the taxpayers.

Your friends are concerned about private workers, yet their unions work directly against the private worker. The very fact that most government pensions and health care plans are paid almost exclusively by the taxpayers is the problem.
 
yeah, that is another of the lines of bullshit the left tries to push regarding Koch Industries.

Rank in Toxic 100: 10
Rank among all TRI companies: 14
Air releases 2006 (lbs): 33,560,949
Incineration transfers 2006 (lbs): 1,938,445
Total Air and Incineration Toxic Score 2006: 84,044
Percentage of national total 2006 toxic air and incineration score: 1.043%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x515911



In March 1999, Koch Petroleum Group, a Koch Industries subsidiary, plead guilty to charges that it had negligently dumped hundreds of thousands of gallons of aviation fuel into wetlands near the Mississippi River from its refinery in Rosemount, Minnesota, and that it had also illegally dumped a million gallons of high-ammonia wastewater onto the ground and into the Mississippi River. Koch Petroleum paid the Dakota County Park System a $6 million fine and $2 million in remediation costs, and was ordered to serve three years of probation.[31]
In 1999, a federal jury found that Koch Industries had stolen oil from government and American Indian lands, had lied about its purchases more than 24,000 times, and was fined $553,504.[32]
In January 2000, Koch Industries subsidiary, Koch Pipeline, agreed to a $35 million settlement with the U.S. Justice Department and the State of Texas. This settlement, including a $30 million civil fine, was incurred for the firm's three hundred oil spills in Texas and five other states going back to 1990.[28][33][34] The spills resulted in more than three million gallons of crude oil leaking into ponds, lakes, streams and coastal waters.[35]
In 2001, the company reached two settlements with the government. In April, the company reached a $20 million settlement in exchange for admitting to covering up environmental violations at its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.[36][37] That May, Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government to settle a federal lawsuit that found the company had improperly taken more oil than it had paid for from federal and Indian land.[38][39]
In June 2003, the US Commerce Department fined Koch Industries subsidiary Flint Hill Resources a $200,000 civil penalty. The fine settled charges that the company exported crude petroleum from the US to Canada without proper US government authorization. The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security said from July 1997 to March 1999, Koch Petroleum (later called Flint Hill Resources) committed 40 violations of Export Administration Regulations.[40]
In 2006, Koch Industries’ subsidiary Flint Hill Resources was fined nearly $16,000 by the EPA for 10 separate violations of the Clean Air Act at its Alaska oil refinery facilities, and required to spend another $60,000 on safety equipment needed to help prevent future violations.[41]
In 2007, Koch Nitrogen's plant in Enid, Oklahoma, was listed as the third highest company releasing toxic chemicals in Oklahoma, according to the EPA, ranking behind Perma-Fix Environmental Services in Tulsa and Weyerhaeuser Co. in Valliant.[42] The facility produces about 10% of the US national production of anhydrous ammonia, as well as urea and UAN.[43]
In 2009, Koch subsidiary Invista agreed to pay a $1.7 million civil penalty and spend up to $500 million to correct self-reported environmental violations at its facilities in seven states.[44][45] Prior to the settlement, the company had disclosed to the EPA more than 680 violations after auditing 12 facilities acquired from DuPont in 2004.[46][47]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Pollution_and_resource_fines

Man are you hard headed.
 
how the hell do you figure that? The police union is NOT you and I. The teachers union is NOT you and I.

Yes, they are, they are my neighbors, they are my family, they are my friends.

I have many good friends who are teachers and they work hard for their money and their rights to be heard. The same with my firemen friends and my police people, my trooper friends, too.

There would be no need for unions if government and private business was willing to pay a living wage and benefits for these workers and provide safe working conditions. You should hear some of the stories my school teacher friends tell of disruptions in their class rooms and personal threats while teaching and tell me they don't deserve their pay.

There are very few corporations that do the right thing by choice, most would increase their bottoms lines before improving workers conditions. I hear it all the time from people who work for a paycheck. They do not fee appreciated or compensated for the work they do for their employees.

Now there are many good companies that do try to keep their employees happy and give them good benefits, Costco and Google come to mind, but I know of several of my neighbors who are working two jobs to just make their house payments, one of them even works at a bank, but still needs her job as a waitress to pay the bills.

It would be most fortunate for everyone if the employee gave the full measure of their work to the employer, and that the employer made his workers happy, this does happen and when it does both sides benefit.

This type of symbiosis can take place, I don't understand why it doesn't, it has been proven to be the best model, give and take, on both sides.
 
They came for manufacturing workers, but because i was not a manufacturer, i did nothing.
They came for scientists, but because i was not a scientist, i did nothing.
They came for the IT specialists, but because i was not an IT worker, i did nothing.
They came for the government workers, but because i was not a government worker, i did nothing.

And when they came for me, there was nobody left to help.
 
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