canadian death panels, coming to US in HCR

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SmarterthanYou

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The Canadian family of a 13-month-old boy clinging to life support has defied a court order to remove the boy’s breathing tube and now is looking to an American hospital for what experts say would be a miracle recovery.

The boy, Joseph Maraachli, has been in a vegetative state at a hospital in London, Ontario, since last fall. He’s been treated for a neurodegenerative disease that doctors ruled leaves no hope for the boy.

A Superior Court judge, in turn, ordered that Maraachli’s breathing tube be removed on Monday. But his family refused, insisting that the boy be released to his family’s care, according to CBC News.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/0...ghts-babys-beathing-tube-place/#ixzz1Eo9RFhuE
 
Bfgrn said:
Why, is Obama the Canadian Prime Minister? This is a thread with a title that has nothing to do with the story...but don't let that stop 'ya
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As long as they can get their petty digs in at Obama specifically and liberals in general, it will have been worth it for them...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
As long as they can get their petty digs in at Obama specifically and liberals in general, it will have been worth it for them...
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For almost 50 years, America has had REAL government run health care...they call it Medicare and Medicaid. I don't recall any government 'death panels'...

But why let facts disrupt the dogma of the fear-filled conservative mind.
 
Bfgrn said:
For almost 50 years, America has had REAL government run health care...they call it Medicare and Medicaid. I don't recall any government 'death panels'...

But why let facts disrupt the dogma of the fear-filled conservative mind.
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Unlike every other country (as apple always likes to say) we don't have a budget on health care so the U.S. essentially pays everything needed to keep someone alive. (60 Minutes did an excellent show on this which aired recently on CNBC). Will that stay the same as the new health care reform kicks in and gets up and running?
 
All it took was one little poke. They'll be around. Let's get this started! I'm reasonably sure that they had that "death panel" argument long ago in Canada where they were reassured that it would 'never happen'.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
The Canadian family of a 13-month-old boy clinging to life support has defied a court order to remove the boy’s breathing tube and now is looking to an American hospital for what experts say would be a miracle recovery.

The boy, Joseph Maraachli, has been in a vegetative state at a hospital in London, Ontario, since last fall. He’s been treated for a neurodegenerative disease that doctors ruled leaves no hope for the boy.

A Superior Court judge, in turn, ordered that Maraachli’s breathing tube be removed on Monday. But his family refused, insisting that the boy be released to his family’s care, according to CBC News.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/0...ghts-babys-beathing-tube-place/#ixzz1Eo9RFhuE
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Ahhh, good, old, lying Fox news.

A Canadian family has not defied a court order. Here is the REAL news.

(Excerpt) While the media have widely reported that London, Ont., doctors were poised to remove a breathing tube from Joseph at 10 a.m. Monday — something expected to lead to death within minutes — Handelman said that isn't correct.

Instead, the decision by the Consent and Capacity Board and subsequent ruling by a London, Ont., judge enabled the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support, first by asking the parents, then other relatives and finally from The Office of the Public Guardian and Trustee, part of Ontario's ministry of the attorney general. Such a process typically takes days, not hours, and while a public trustee is legally required to follow the court ruling, he or she typically takes a few days to review the case before consenting to the removal of life-support, Handelman said. (End)
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/20/17348986.html

The ruling of the judge enables the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support.

In other words there is nothing for the family to defy.

Please, you've been told over and over, do not believe Fox. At best, they have no idea what they're talking about and, at worst, they're a bunch of disgusting, lying, shit-disturbing assholes. (Pardon the language.)

EDIT: My goodness! I continued reading the thread. It's soooo nice to see I'm thought of by so many.
Thanks, Folks! :-)
 
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apple0154 said:
Ahhh, good, old, lying Fox news.

A Canadian family has not defied a court order. Here is the REAL news.

(Excerpt) While the media have widely reported that London, Ont., doctors were poised to remove a breathing tube from Joseph at 10 a.m. Monday — something expected to lead to death within minutes — Handelman said that isn't correct.

Instead, the decision by the Consent and Capacity Board and subsequent ruling by a London, Ont., judge enabled the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support, first by asking the parents, then other relatives and finally from The Office of the Public Guardian and Trustee, part of Ontario's ministry of the attorney general. Such a process typically takes days, not hours, and while a public trustee is legally required to follow the court ruling, he or she typically takes a few days to review the case before consenting to the removal of life-support, Handelman said. (End)
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/20/17348986.html

The ruling of the judge enables the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support.

In other words there is nothing for the family to defy.

Please, you've been told over and over, do not believe Fox. At best, they have no idea what they're talking about and, at worst, they're a bunch of disgusting, lying, shit-disturbing assholes. (Pardon the language.)
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So "media" implies more then one ...no?

The fact that the story may have been hyped for attention (apparently by many media outlets) does not a lie make~ Further the actual facts and timeline is on the facebook link I posted. The further facts remain as well...Canada has death panells
 
apple0154 said:
Ahhh, good, old, lying Fox news.

A Canadian family has not defied a court order. Here is the REAL news.

(Excerpt) While the media have widely reported that London, Ont., doctors were poised to remove a breathing tube from Joseph at 10 a.m. Monday — something expected to lead to death within minutes — Handelman said that isn't correct.

Instead, the decision by the Consent and Capacity Board and subsequent ruling by a London, Ont., judge enabled the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support, first by asking the parents, then other relatives and finally from The Office of the Public Guardian and Trustee, part of Ontario's ministry of the attorney general. Such a process typically takes days, not hours, and while a public trustee is legally required to follow the court ruling, he or she typically takes a few days to review the case before consenting to the removal of life-support, Handelman said. (End)
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/20/17348986.html

The ruling of the judge enables the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support.

In other words there is nothing for the family to defy.

Please, you've been told over and over, do not believe Fox. At best, they have no idea what they're talking about and, at worst, they're a bunch of disgusting, lying, shit-disturbing assholes. (Pardon the language.)

EDIT: My goodness! I continued reading the thread. It's soooo nice to see I'm thought of by so many.
Thanks, Folks! :-)
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By the way, do read the article. The parents want the doctors to perform a tracheotomy and then they want to take the child home which could very well cause additional distress to the child. Consider, if you will, the parents wanting to have the child die at home without medical supervision. Kindness or barbarism? Whose concerns should be addressed?
 
apple0154 said:
The ruling of the judge enables the hospital to seek consent to remove life-support.
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and you think that this ruling eliminates the culpability of the judge? Or that the hospital being enabled to remove life support is defined as anything other than a death panel?

apple0154 said:
In other words there is nothing for the family to defy.
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then here's my question. After these several days of questions and seekings by the hospital, it's determined that the hospital can remove the tube.....what happens? can the parents still stop it?
 
apple0154 said:
By the way, do read the article. The parents want the doctors to perform a tracheotomy and then they want to take the child home which could very well cause additional distress to the child. Consider, if you will, the parents wanting to have the child die at home without medical supervision. Kindness or barbarism? Whose concerns should be addressed?
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how would being surrounded by family in the home you know, be stressful?
 
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