Arizona Democrat Gabrielle Giffords was placed on Sarah Palin's "target map"

Yurt said:
christie surprised me, but jarod's a left wing lunatic so i am not surprised
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I've always detested the use of violent imagery, period.

There's a better way of showing the people you want to defeat besides using a picture of crosshairs. And saying it's about voting, not shooting, is a cop-out. If it's about voting, show a picture of a ballot with an "X" on it, or something similar.
 
I dont belive Sarah wanted this to happen.

I dont belive Sarah would have done it had she expected it to happen.

I do belive that it was reckless and careless and a bad mistake for her to do it.

Does she share a shread of culpability, I dono, thats hard to say. Clearly the whacko who did it is to blame... but being careless with violent imagery is a mistake, I said so back then and I am saying so now.
 
Jarod said:
I dont belive Sarah wanted this to happen.

I dont belive Sarah would have done it had she expected it to happen.

I do belive that it was reckless and careless and a bad mistake for her to do it.

Does she share a shread of culpability, I dono, thats hard to say. Clearly the whacko who did it is to blame... but being careless with violent imagery is a mistake, I said so back then and I am saying so now.
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I don't blame her for this one person's actions. But neither do I credit her (or anyone) for using violent imagery and/or language re: the defeat of her political foes because you never know what nut out there is going to take that as an invitation to act.
 
Jarod said:
She should have known that this Target Map was going to bite her in the ass. I remember the contraversy when it occured.

If this killer turns out to have any ties to the TEA party Palin should apologise for the Target Map.
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and if he doesn't who will you apologize to.....
 
For those imbeciles who think it's just about voting, Palin says: "Don't retreat... instead, RELOAD."

Somebody explain to me how "reloading" applies to the ballot box, I'm not getting it.

* Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010

Pallin denounces violence, but gun imagery will stay

WASHINGTON — With 1.4 million people reading her every word on Facebook, a best-selling memoir, a slot on the nation's top-rated cable network and her every move scrutinized for presidential ambitions, Sarah Palin's megaphone is loud and commands a sizable audience.

So when Palin's political action committee singled out 20 Democratic members of Congress by using rifle scopes to "target" them on a map, it drew more attention than it might have had it not followed a week of overheated debate on health care, protesters shouting homophobic and racial epithets and spitting at members of Congress about to vote on the bill, and even bricks being thrown through lawmakers' office windows.

On Twitter, Palin told supporters disheartened by the health care vote: "Don't Retreat, instead - RELOAD!" She directed them to her Facebook page, where she used rifle scope-like crosshairs to identify the 20 seats she hopes SarahPAC will flip from blue to red. Those lawmakers she identified were among the Democrats who voted for the health care bill that was signed into law Tuesday — yet they were elected in GOP-dominated districts that supported her and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential vote.

Until Friday, when she brought it up while campaigning for McCain's re-election, Palin had no comment on her political action committee's choice of imagery. But while stumping for McCain in his GOP primary in Arizona, the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential nominee called it a "ginned-up controversy."

"We know violence isn't the answer," Palin said Friday. "When we take up our arms, we're talking about our vote. This B.S. coming from the lamestream media lately about us inciting violence, don't let the conversation be subverted, don't let a conversation like that get you off track."

Yet with her following among the Tea Party movement and other groups on the right — some of whose ideology is reminiscent of the militias of the mid-1990s — does Palin have more of a responsibility and an obligation to condemn the rhetoric and violence?

Yes, said Tony Stewart, a retired professor who for the past three decades has worked to free northern Idaho of its reputation as a haven for white supremacists and people with ties to anti-government groups. Stewart, the secretary of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, said he was troubled by the gun sights on Palin's map.

"I think they have a very, very serious responsibility to measure their words carefully," Stewart said of Palin and other high-profile leaders. "I'm deeply concerned about that type of trend in our country and what it could do to the fringe elements. When people are very divisive or extreme in their comments, unfortunately, our history has taught us that some individuals who are on the very fringe — and are oftentimes not even stable — may take that and engage in violence."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who co-hosts the talk show "The View" and campaigned for Palin in Florida, on the show this week called Palin's gun sight imagery "despicable." Palin's choice of words also drew criticism from a fellow Alaskan: Sen. Mark Begich, a Democrat.

"I think people like Sarah and others need to be careful in their tones and not send the wrong message out there," Begich told Anchorage television station KTVA. "In my case, I probably wouldn't have said those comments."

Military language is common in political campaigns — journalists write of "war chests" and candidates talk speak of "targeting" their opponents and even "firing back" at them. Violent imagery is nothing new in U.S. political history, either, and it occurs on the right and the left. An effigy of former President George W. Bush was burned as recently as October when he gave a speech in Canada.

However, Heidi Beirich, the director of research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist and hate groups, said she thinks Palin went a step too far.

"The gun sight: It's clear what it means," Beirich said of the map on Palin's Facebook page. "It doesn't really get more violent than that. Even if it was meant in some kind of twisted jest, certainly the time to take it down has more than passed."

Palin this week refused to back away from the rifle-scope imagery or her use of the term "reload." She did, however, emphasize that violence was unacceptable. When someone at McCain's rally shouted out that voting was the answer, not violence, Palin's response was immediate.

"Amen, brother, that's what you do it with," she said. "With your vote."

McCain himself defended her language earlier in the week, telling NBC that the rhetoric of targeted districts has been around "as long as I've been in politics."

"Those words have been used throughout of my political career," McCain added. "There are targeted districts, and there are areas that we call battleground states, and so please, that rhetoric and kind of language is just part of the political lexicon. There is no place for threats of violence or anything else, but to say that someone is in a battleground state is not originated today."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/27/91203/palin-denounces-violence-but-gun.html#ixzz1AUWMW8T3
 
christiefan915 said:
I've always detested the use of violent imagery, period.

There's a better way of showing the people you want to defeat besides using a picture of crosshairs. And saying it's about voting, not shooting, is a cop-out. If it's about voting, show a picture of a ballot with an "X" on it, or something similar.
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i don't agree with her imagery....

i don't recall you, jarod or bfrgn making a big stink over the violent imagery for bush...

selective outrage
 
Bfgrn said:
Then why did Palin remove the map from her website today?

The underlying threats of violence and using gun sights and target is not only irresponsible, it is dangerous. This country has seen enough political assassinations. You fucking right wingers need to either grow up, or move to Russia, where liberals are constant targets for murder.
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Palin should be indicted for incitement to murder.
The charge would not stick but it might make the stupid woman and her even stupider followers think for a nano second.
 
Yurt said:
i don't agree with her imagery....

i don't recall you, jarod or bfrgn making a big stink over the violent imagery for bush...

selective outrage
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When did a major national Democratic candidate for President use violent imagery for Bush?
 
Yurt said:
answer the question bfrgn, are you blaming palin for this

yes or no
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Palin is simply one public face of a disease which is sweeping america. Anyone who thinks it is macho to own a gun, anyone who thinks hunting defenceless wild animals and killing them is fun, anyone who thinks the best way to deal with people with whom they disagree is to kill them is one rotten symptom of the sickness of america.
And the wierdest thing about it all is that, almost to a man (or woman) these people profess faith in an ancient man of peace.
Well, my friends, it is america's problem. Just dont let any of these bastards leave.
 
Yurt said:
i don't agree with her imagery....

i don't recall you, jarod or bfrgn making a big stink over the violent imagery for bush...

selective outrage
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Bee ess. I criticized violent imagery when it occurred and was discussed on boards I frequented. You weren't on those boards.

Furthermore, I came to this board in April 2009, months after bush left office, and the main topics involved Obama.
 
Bfgrn said:
Then why did Palin remove the map from her website today?

The underlying threats of violence and using gun sights and target is not only irresponsible, it is dangerous. This country has seen enough political assassinations. You fucking right wingers need to either grow up, or move to Russia, where liberals are constant targets for murder.
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Is anyone really surprised that right wing rhetoric would inspire some wacko to kill? It's this kind of language that has alienated the vast majority of moderates from the Republican party. Events like this show what the Republican party has become. A small clique of wealth plutocrats manipulating the fears of angry working class white people. It's disgusting that they won't distance them selves from this rhetoric and they should be held accountable for it. They won't and more people will die. Just wait and see.
 
Onceler said:
I answered those questions, multiple times.

Yet you keep ignoring mine; should be easy to answer if you were telling the truth...
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thats odd, you can't produce a link to where you answered them even one time, so now you've raised the lie to "multiple" times

lmao...what a sad pathetic person you are...go to that thread and link up, if you don't, it will absolutely prove you lied

:)
 
Yurt said:
thats odd, you can't produce a link to where you answered them even one time, so now you've raised the lie to "multiple" times

lmao...what a sad pathetic person you are...go to that thread and link up, if you don't, it will absolutely prove you lied

:)
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It's embarassing that you lied on this thread. With such violence, as well - and all you can do is politicize.

I answered your questions, btw.
 
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