Will the new House cut the anchor cable?

Mojo said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13178949/ns/us_news-katrina_the_long_road_back/

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=1081

http://www.yelp.com/topic/boston-th...gal-immigrants-by-local-restaurateur-dirt-bag

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0298c.asp

http://www.cis.org/node/759

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23676&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1010

There are tens of thousands of related links detailing exploitation and abuse of illegal immigrants.

Are you saying this practice does not occur?
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Let's put exploitation and abuse in context. An illegal enters the US from a country where they were unable to feed their family and lived in constant fear of violence. When here they may be "hired out" to work 12 hours a day at minimum wage.

Being compelled to work 12 hours a day at minimum wage would be considered abuse by our standards but for them it is quite different. They eat better, dress better, are able to send money home to their families.....the point being it is not abuse to them. If they felt that way they would return home.

It's disingenuous for one to imply they are helping illegal aliens by preventing what we consider abuse and then having them return to conditions many times worse.
 
Mojo said:
The Tea Partiers quoted in these links say they will try...

http://charlestonteaparty.org/?tag=anchor-babies

http://teapartyamerica.blogspot.com/2010/08/change-14th-amendment-no-more-anchor.html

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/what-is-an-anchor-baby?xg_source=activity

http://www.teapartyofwmi.org/profiles/blogs/stop-the-anchor-baby-racket

http://freedomist.com/2010/08/16/ho...abies-from-the-14th-amendment-politics-daily/

"Many Republicans are now openly talking about legislation to either specify who is covered by the 14th Amendment, or to launch a new constitutional amendment to modify the 14th. At issue is the subject of ‘anchor babies’ and how the 14th Amendment should clarify their citizenship status..."

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6920
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those particular TEA partiers are ignorant GOP coverts. they don't care about the constitution any more than establishment politicians do.
 
apple0154 said:
And I'm asking how do they receive welfare without proper identification?

If it is a big problem it is easily solved. If legitimate US citizens are kicked off welfare how do illegal aliens qualify?
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They receive welfare because in certain areas controlled by the democratic party they have been deemed to qualify for welfare regardless of their status as immigrants. It IS a big problem, as demonstrated by Postmodern Prophet's link, or this more recent story in the LA Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906

It may be easily solved (ie: cut off people who entered this country illegally) but democrats do not WANT to solve it. They want the Hispanic vote, so they cater to illegal immigrants to gain it, no matter what it does to local economies or the general economy.
 
apple0154 said:
Let's put exploitation and abuse in context. An illegal enters the US from a country where they were unable to feed their family and lived in constant fear of violence. When here they may be "hired out" to work 12 hours a day at minimum wage.

Being compelled to work 12 hours a day at minimum wage would be considered abuse by our standards but for them it is quite different. They eat better, dress better, are able to send money home to their families.....the point being it is not abuse to them. If they felt that way they would return home.

It's disingenuous for one to imply they are helping illegal aliens by preventing what we consider abuse and then having them return to conditions many times worse.
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So none of the links I posted contain any instances of illegals working for less than minimum wage, or in illegally unsafe conditions?
 
apple0154 said:
...First, illegal aliens do not benefit from social welfare policies. They are not entitled to social benefits.
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Wrong. Simply, wrong. You once again spout off in complete ignorance of reality.

apple0154 said:
Second, the Democrats want illegal aliens, that sub-class, to become full fledged citizens. If the Democrats were benefiting from illegal aliens they would not want policies changed. They would want illegal aliens to stay illegal aliens.
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Of course they want illegal immigrants to become citizens - illegal immigrants can get welfare, but they cannot vote. (then, again, maybe that's why democrats are so vehemently opposed to requiring picture IDs at polling places....) The manner illegal immigrants help democrats is because they play the race card against anyone who disparages illegal immigration - thus painting themselves as champions of Hispanics to gain that voting block. Democrats are experts at pretending they give a shit about minorities.

apple0154 said:
Mr. Eastman's hypocritical, disingenuous concern regarding illegal aliens is sickening. He further comments the Republican Party top business people want illegal aliens for their cheap labor. If the illegals had citizenship they wouldn't be cheap labor.
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Well business owners DO take advantage of illegal immigrants for cheap labor. I don't know if they are all Republican (I doubt it) but OTOH, those who benefit from the cheap labor you can pretty much guarantee do not want them made citizens.

apple0154 said:
The man is bogus!
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Perhaps, but at least he is not hopelessly ignorant like some demonstrate themselves to be. (Can't get welfare ... LOL)
 
Good Luck said:
They receive welfare because in certain areas controlled by the democratic party they have been deemed to qualify for welfare regardless of their status as immigrants. It IS a big problem, as demonstrated by Postmodern Prophet's link, or this more recent story in the LA Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906

It may be easily solved (ie: cut off people who entered this country illegally) but democrats do not WANT to solve it. They want the Hispanic vote, so they cater to illegal immigrants to gain it, no matter what it does to local economies or the general economy.
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We can't forget that if they were legal residents they would be working and paying taxes.
 
Mojo said:
So none of the links I posted contain any instances of illegals working for less than minimum wage, or in illegally unsafe conditions?
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I think we have to look at the percentages.

Perhaps one way to combat illegals would be to run ADS in countries where a large majority of them come from.

In any case one answer would be to allow them to work legally. Become self-supporting, at least. There are jobs they are willing to do.
 
apple0154 said:
I think we have to look at the percentages.

Perhaps one way to combat illegals would be to run ADS in countries where a large majority of them come from.

In any case one answer would be to allow them to work legally. Become self-supporting, at least. There are jobs they are willing to do.
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That's true.

Illegal immigration is not solely an American issue, is it?

How are other host nations dealing with the influx?
 
Mojo said:
The Tea Partiers quoted in these links say they will try...

http://charlestonteaparty.org/?tag=anchor-babies

http://teapartyamerica.blogspot.com/2010/08/change-14th-amendment-no-more-anchor.html

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/what-is-an-anchor-baby?xg_source=activity

http://www.teapartyofwmi.org/profiles/blogs/stop-the-anchor-baby-racket

http://freedomist.com/2010/08/16/ho...abies-from-the-14th-amendment-politics-daily/

"Many Republicans are now openly talking about legislation to either specify who is covered by the 14th Amendment, or to launch a new constitutional amendment to modify the 14th. At issue is the subject of ‘anchor babies’ and how the 14th Amendment should clarify their citizenship status..."

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6920
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i guess that they will try, but they have to get it through the house, senate and the president - not bloody likely
 
Good Luck said:
Perhaps, but at least he is not hopelessly ignorant like some demonstrate themselves to be. (Can't get welfare ... LOL)
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Let's not make this seem like some insurmountable problem. A person applies for welfare. The welfare employee asks for ID. If the person does not have ID the welfare employee instructs the individual how to obtain ID.

If certain towns/cities want to give illegals welfare knowing they're illegal then it's up to whomever is responsible to check into it.

It's simply a matter of putting a policy in place.

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Good Luck said:
Wrong. Simply, wrong. You once again spout off in complete ignorance of reality.


Of course they want illegal immigrants to become citizens - illegal immigrants can get welfare, but they cannot vote. (then, again, maybe that's why democrats are so vehemently opposed to requiring picture IDs at polling places....) The manner illegal immigrants help democrats is because they play the race card against anyone who disparages illegal immigration - thus painting themselves as champions of Hispanics to gain that voting block. Democrats are experts at pretending they give a shit about minorities.


Well business owners DO take advantage of illegal immigrants for cheap labor. I don't know if they are all Republican (I doubt it) but OTOH, those who benefit from the cheap labor you can pretty much guarantee do not want them made citizens.


Perhaps, but at least he is not hopelessly ignorant like some demonstrate themselves to be. (Can't get welfare ... LOL)
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Mojo said:
That's true.

Illegal immigration is not solely an American issue, is it?

How are other host nations dealing with the influx?
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As far as I'm concerned this immigration problem is nonsense especially with people crossing the border illegally, say, in Arizona. If a group of 25 or 50 people started to march towards the White House and jumped over the fence what would happen? Or tried to climb over a fence protecting a restricted military area?

Post signs along the border in several languages stating deadly force will be used on trespassers and shoot anyone trespassing. Problem solved. It won't take long for the news to travel.

Honestly, this is just nuts. The Soviet Union prevented people from leaving half of Europe, for God's sake, which represented a border a hell of a lot longer than the one between the US and Mexico.
 
apple0154 said:
And I'm asking how do they receive welfare without proper identification?

If it is a big problem it is easily solved. If legitimate US citizens are kicked off welfare how do illegal aliens qualify?
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they qualify by having an anchor baby....that's all the identification they need....
 
apple0154 said:
Let's not make this seem like some insurmountable problem. A person applies for welfare. The welfare employee asks for ID. If the person does not have ID the welfare employee instructs the individual how to obtain ID. /
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you realize of course that what actually happens is, welfare employee asks for ID, illegal alien says "don't have one but my kid is a citizen", welfare employee signs them up......
 
apple0154 said:
As far as I'm concerned this immigration problem is nonsense especially with people crossing the border illegally, say, in Arizona. If a group of 25 or 50 people started to march towards the White House and jumped over the fence what would happen? Or tried to climb over a fence protecting a restricted military area?

Post signs along the border in several languages stating deadly force will be used on trespassers and shoot anyone trespassing. Problem solved. It won't take long for the news to travel.

Honestly, this is just nuts. The Soviet Union prevented people from leaving half of Europe, for God's sake, which represented a border a hell of a lot longer than the one between the US and Mexico.
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:lmao:
Did you suddenly have a psychic connection with Southern Man or something? Advocating SHOOTING illegal immigrants for crossing our border? Meanwhile, you want to make those who already crossed citizens?

So, let's get this straight:
1: make current illegal immigrants legal citizens (already been done once - didn't solve the problem by a LONG shot - in fact illegal border crossings increased as a result)

2: Shoot any new illegals as they cross the border. (Does that include women and children?)

Is that the gist of your recommendations?
 
at least apple is being consistent....illegal aliens are unwanted and unloved, therefore abused.....it is better to kill them than to let them be abused........
 
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