Why tax cuts DO create jobs!

Ice Dancer said:
Not just that yurt, but industry and the work place is SO regulated that companies have had to create HR departments that make certain every I is dotted and every T crossed with regards to company safety/sick pay/ overtime...etc- that the "protection" that unions once provided has likewise become irrelevent. Look what unions have done to compaines and now even to state economies---bankrupting them! Then how the fuck do they expect to earn a living??? It is pure chaotic craziness that sets up a situation, like unions do, one that is bound to failure. Here in WA teacher and law enforcement unions have forced the lay offs of hundreds of co-workers because they would not accept a 2 year cost of living freeze...and we have a governor who is dependent on guess what...yeah unions! She, the governor, actually has the power to fight these union interests...but will not do it because of her party loyalty.
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If unions are legal and embraced, then manufacturers, suppliers, retailers, wholesalers, should all be allowed to fix the prices of their goods and services.

All any union is, is an organization that fixes the price of labor in a particular market. If GE and Whirlpool did that with the price of dish washers, the public would cry foul, but do it with the labor cost on a car, and the public jizzes all over the streets, then blames management when they collapse because they have to pay for retirement of people and their families who haven't worked there in 30 years.

Then we bitch when our cars are more expensive than japanese cars. And the left can't buy enough kleenex to wipe up their joy.
 
Beefy said:
If unions are legal and embraced, then manufacturers, suppliers, retailers, wholesalers, should all be allowed to fix the prices of their goods and services.

All any union is, is an organization that fixes the price of labor in a particular market. If GE and Whirlpool did that with the price of dish washers, the public would cry foul, but do it with the labor cost on a car, and the public jizzes all over the streets, then blames management when they collapse because they have to pay for retirement of people and their families who haven't worked there in 30 years.

Then we bitch when our cars are more expensive than japanese cars. And the left can't buy enough kleenex to wipe up their joy.
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Unions served a purpose-I say HR departments coupled with modern regulatory oversight makes them no longer relevent- The idea that they can demand and justify wages that risk the health and survival of the company/industry they work in is ridiculous over-reach. The reasons unions don't go away is because they now wield too much power. That government jobs are unionized is, imo, antithetical of a republic.
 
Yurt said:
crippled california

we need pension reform, but the unions will never agree to it

state/local government workers in california make an incredible living...
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Yes they do. In some instances you might even have workers who are willing to accept a freeze, but they face a union leader who won't let them.
 
Schadenfreude said:
:lies:

check out how much the union workers had to give back in wages to the car companies
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Yeah they lost so much...{sarcasm}
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Speaking at the same Detroit conference on the auto bailout that Steve Rattner and Ron Bloom attended, the Center for Automotive Research’s Sean McAlinden proclaimed the end of Detroit’s era of unsustainable high wages. In 2007, said McAlinden, building a car in North America cost GM about $1,400 more per car than it did Toyota, thanks largely to a $950 health care charge. Since then, GM’s bailout and renegotiated wage and benefit contracts with the union have actually brought GM’s hourly compensation to just under what the CAR says the transplants pay. The AP reports that McAlinden’s estimate of GM’s average hourly worker salary is $69,368 while the transplant average is $70,185. Better still is McAlinden’s prediction that
between 2013 and 2015, Toyota could even be paying $10 more per hour than GM unless the Japanese company reacts and lowers wages.
And all it took was giving the UAW a $17.5 stake in the new GM!

Of course, there’s some question as to the veracity of anything that comes out of the CAR. Largely funded by unions and the Detroit automakers, CAR’s assesments have been plenty controversial in the past. This time though, it’s hard to see how cooking these numbers helps anybody. After all, the UAW hardly comes out of this looking like roses with its membership… unless we see these numbers used in a union counterattack.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. Your post contained no elements of relevance.

I invite anyone reading this to explain how his rant about japan means outsourcing key capabilities shouldn't be a concern.
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Are you being a dumbass, for the sake of just being a dumbass, or are you truly so much a dumbass that you are unable to understand that this wasn't about your asinine delusions; but instead was a response to her post, regarding the US being in trouble for not being able to produce something.
 
Yurt said:
wow...sounds like canada, unions hold a huge billy club over the government and private industry up there
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And so they should.

Let's start at the beginning. Unions were formed to deal with the mistreatment of employees. In those days businesses were locally owned meaning one was mistreated by a neighbor or fellow resident of a town.

Now, businesses are owned by people in another state or even country. Do they have the slightest concern for their employees? Decisions are made by people who live thousands of miles from where the employee works by people looking at numbers on a piece of paper.

Unions are more important today than at any other time.
 
Dixie said:
You will notice, this thread doesn't begin with a cut-n-paste 'ope-ed' from some partisan internet source, like those on the left typically give us. My threads tend to come from me, and my thoughts, and if there is information online to support what I am saying, I may or may not reference it. Unlike mot pinheads, I have enough competency to articulate my own thoughts, and can compose a fairly decent thread without the inclusion of the work of others. But... I understand, it has become a kind of internet tradition, to post a 'cite' to illustrate how your point is valid, because you need support for things that are otherwise insane. If you didn't post those links, people might have you committed or something.

I saw desh's thread entitled; why tax cuts do not create jobs, and I resisted the urge to click it, I knew what was in there already! Yet another piss-pants liberal blogger opinion, rooted and steeped in left-wing myopic idiocy and total misconception of reality. But it's important I resisted the urge to click the link... for a week! That's progress for me!

The very idea that lowering tax rates on the people who would create a private sector job, wouldn't cause conditions more favorable for them to create a job, is incomprehensible. It defies any reasonable logic. Instead of relying on logic and reality, this viewpoint must rely on incompetent analysis of the information at hand. A presumption that defies reality, and maintains that all rich people will behave in a particular way, all the time. This, of course, is a incoherent thought that is enabled through a developed class envy, which dictates that all rich people will always do and behave in the same manner, regardless of the circumstance. Therefore, in the mind of a pinhead, it makes perfect sense.

In reality, there is no true definition of "the rich" ...it's a label. Some people have great assets, but are not rich. Some people are very rich, yet have very few material assets. Some people are wealthy and don't consider themselves wealthy, others are not wealthy, but think they are. And wealth itself, comes in many different forms. Some pinhead will chortle out the stupidity that 40% of rich people inherited their wealth and didn't earn it...but that means 60% of them earned their wealth, every penny of it!

In all of my years of being a jack of all trades, master of none... (I have held about 100 different job titles in my life) I have never once been offered a job by a poor person. The people in our society, who create the jobs and hire the people for those jobs, are not poor, and mostly not even middle class, they are wealthy. To people with millions or billions of dollars, a 3% increase in tax rate is a pretty big deal. And pinheads can parade around with stupid little numbers trying to show where it doesn't amount to all that much cash to a rich person, but the point is not the cash. There is a cumulative effect when taxes are lowered, it helps promote and create optimism, and encourages those with wealth to become prospective again. Sure, it only means a few more dollars in a rich man's pocket, but he is motivated by things other than money. Knowing the tax rates are lower, he also knows tax rates are lower for his competitors, from the others at the top of the food chain, and realizing this, coupled with the drive and determination that brought wealth in the first place, the rich person acts on this impulse.

Oh, but Dixie.... 1% of the people controls 85% of the wealth!! ....Then you'd think it would behoove us to treat them a little nicer!
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Dear fucking idiot, if you had clicked you would have realized the cut n paste was a harvard economists study which found that food stamps and unemployment are teh best stimulus and matched the findings of other studies.


You see I know you prefer to reach up Glen Becks ass for your opinions but there are still some in the US who like to use the best minds in the country and their REAL documented findings to form their opinions. Now if you find it somehow unintelligent to consider the findings of other people besides your self then I suggest you think about the fact that YOU have never produced any intelligent thought on your own in your entire life. Why dont you just bring us ANY example of original thought you have EVER produced.


I know you just think this is some fucking internet game but this is real.

Your failed ideas are killing this country you fucking taintwallow.
 
Beefy said:
If unions are legal and embraced, then manufacturers, suppliers, retailers, wholesalers, should all be allowed to fix the prices of their goods and services.

All any union is, is an organization that fixes the price of labor in a particular market. If GE and Whirlpool did that with the price of dish washers, the public would cry foul, but do it with the labor cost on a car, and the public jizzes all over the streets, then blames management when they collapse because they have to pay for retirement of people and their families who haven't worked there in 30 years.

Then we bitch when our cars are more expensive than japanese cars. And the left can't buy enough kleenex to wipe up their joy.
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So what is the retired person supposed to live on if not a pension from their former employer?
 
Dear fucking idiot, if you had clicked you would have realized the cut n paste was a harvard economists study which found that food stamps and unemployment are teh best stimulus and matched the findings of other studies.
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Dear Even Bigger Fucking Idiot, maybe we should all quit our jobs and draw unemployment and food stamps? That would SURELY get our economy back on track! At least, according to you and some doofus who went to Harvard.
 
Beefy said:
(Originally Posted by Ice Dancer)That government jobs are unionized is, imo, antithetical of a republic.
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Quote of the year. Cannot agree more. And the public is goatse about it.
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What type of service/performance could we expect from non-unionized employees? It would result in a high turn-over of staff. No one really interested or responsible for anything as what happens in companies that have a high employee turn-over.

Then there's the political implications and elected officials wanting to get their buddy a job by driving out an employee.
 
apple0154 said:
What type of service/performance could we expect from non-unionized employees? It would result in a high turn-over of staff. No one really interested or responsible for anything as what happens in companies that have a high employee turn-over.

Then there's the political implications and elected officials wanting to get their buddy a job by driving out an employee.
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Where is this idea that government employees could not work unless they are unionized coming from?

And political patronage happens at the heads of agencies. Those aren't the "working folks" at the bottom of the totum pole.
 
Dixie said:
Dear Even Bigger Fucking Idiot, maybe we should all quit our jobs and draw unemployment and food stamps? That would SURELY get our economy back on track! At least, according to you and some doofus who went to Harvard.
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Oh you may be on to something, lets just have NO taxes and the roads would build themselves.

Dixie fuck off and grow a fucking honest bone would you, NO I dont mean that lump of flesh you call your hands best friend.

The facts are the facts no matter how many times you try to strangle them with your shit smeared hands ( I think you better go back and check Becks ass, there is a fresh turd waiting for your next argument).


There are people who deserve to have their lifes worked concidered in these decisions and you are NOT one of them.

When you dishonest fucks have to trash Harvard economists to continue believing Beckys full tilt boogey to sell gold it might be a clue, but then you are clueless.
 
cawacko said:
Where is this idea that government employees could not work unless they are unionized coming from?
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It's coming from employees knowing they have no job security.

In a company the person in charge usually considers the financial benefit of an employee before terminating their employment. Such would not be the case in government.

And political patronage happens at the heads of agencies. Those aren't the "working folks" at the bottom of the totum pole.
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When it comes to summer jobs for students why wouldn't a manager kick someone out and replace them with a son or daughter or family friend? And as I noted before it wouldn't matter if the terminated employee was a good worker or not as profit would not be considered.
 
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