My fund raising for consrvatives is not important

Yurt said:
this is why you're a hack...

if you can't actually debate the issue, you can stfu

i mean really, how dare we use the canon to defend the claim that what he was doing violates ethics rules...

moron
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Have you ever met a Republican you didn't trip over yourself to defend?

It's like a total Pavlovian response for you....
 
NigelTufnel said:
Is Justice Alito, in participating in the American Spectator's annual fund-raising gala, soliciting funds for a law-related organization from judges over he judge does not exercise supervisory or appellate authority or from members of his family? Certainly not. Hence, the clause that I highlighted is the applicable language and sure as shit ain't arbitrary.
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why would the third sentence be applicable and not the first?.....the first is the list of things he may do, the third a statement that if the first doesn't apply he can't......
 
SmarterThanYou said:
true, but it's hardly our fault. If our own lawmakers can't be trusted to follow the laws, then we are not beholden to follow them either.
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They are idiots, I like to think that you and I are smarter than that!

Don't you have problems with him making the ruling on corporations and then hanging out with the Chamber!?

This kind of stuff just stinks to me.
 
Rana said:
They are idiots, I like to think that you and I are smarter than that!

Don't you have problems with him making the ruling on corporations and then hanging out with the Chamber!?

This kind of stuff just stinks to me.
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and your irresponsible and inaccurate threads stink to many of us......
 
Yurt said:
your lies are comical....see my posts on palin for starters you dishonest hack
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LOL...of course! Palin is not in any position of establishment power, and likely will not be anytime soon. She's your token "see how objective I am" conservative.

Anyone in the establishment? Must defend...must defend....must defend....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why would the third sentence be applicable and not the first?.....the first is the list of things he may do, the third a statement that if the first doesn't apply he can't......
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It's not applicable for a couple of reasons. Learn to read more carefully, man. First, the American Spectator is not a "law-related" organization. Second, Mr. Alito did not merely assist in the planning of any fundraiser nor is he listed as an officer, director or trustee. In any event, the Commentary on Canon 4C is conclusive on this matter:

A judge may attend fund-raising events of law-related and other organizations although the judge may not be a speaker, a guest of honor, or featured on the program of such an event. Use of a judge’s name, position in the organization, and judicial designation on an organization’s letterhead, including when used for fund raising or soliciting members, does not violate Canon 4C if comparable information and designations are listed for others.
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Yurt said:
it is arbitrary...canon 4

A judge may engage in extrajudicial activities, including law-related pursuits and civic, charitable, educational, religious, social, financial, fiduciary, and governmental activities, and may speak, write, lecture, and teach on both law-related and nonlegal subjects
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It isn't arbitrary. The event was a fund-raiser. Hence, the provision of Canon 4 dealing with fund-raisers is the applicable provision.
 
Onceler said:
LOL...of course! Palin is not in any position of establishment power, and likely will not be anytime soon. She's your token "see how objective I am" conservative.

Anyone in the establishment? Must defend...must defend....must defend....
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wow...how dishonest...first it was any republican, now it is any in position of power....ok....start by looking at my posts concerning mccain....

do you enjoy lying all the time? because you do it nearly everyday...
 
NigelTufnel said:
It isn't arbitrary. The event was a fund-raiser. Hence, the provision of Canon 4 dealing with fund-raisers is the applicable provision.
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wtf? do you know how to read...you claimed it was only about law related...it isn't...read it again, you left out everything after law related
 
Rana said:
They are idiots, I like to think that you and I are smarter than that!

Don't you have problems with him making the ruling on corporations and then hanging out with the Chamber!?

This kind of stuff just stinks to me.
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There aren't a whole lot of rulings from any of the federal courts that I really agree with, at least over the last 20 years. I think I can count 5 of them. So yes, I do have problems with all of them and their idea of 'laws for thee, none for me'. It also doesn't really play in to how intelligent you or I am either.
 
Yurt said:
wtf? do you know how to read...you claimed it was only about law related...it isn't...read it again, you left out everything after law related
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The portion of the Canon specific to fund-raising activities is 4C. That's where you look to determine what a judge can and cannot do with respect to fundraising activities. Please tell me why 4C is not applicable so I can understand your position instead of arguing based on your vague nonsense.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The portion of the Canon specific to fund-raising activities is 4C. That's where you look to determine what a judge can and cannot do with respect to fundraising activities. Please tell me why 4C is not applicable so I can understand your position instead of arguing based on your vague nonsense.
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:palm:

where did i ever say it was not applicable? you're ignoring huge portions of it and ignoring canon 4
 
Yurt said:
:palm:

where did i ever say it was not applicable? you're ignoring huge portions of it and ignoring canon 4
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You're right that I read the portion of 4C to quickly and that a judge can assist nonprofit law-related or civic or charitable or educational or religious or social organizations in planning fund-raising activities. The problem is that Alito didn't merely assist in planning fund-raising activities, he was a keynote speaker at an American Spectator fund-raiser, which is prohibited by Canon 4.

Is it your contention that Alito can be a keynote speaker at such an event and not violate Canon 4?
 
NigelTufnel said:
You're right that I read the portion of 4C to quickly and that a judge can assist nonprofit law-related or civic or charitable or educational or religious or social organizations in planning fund-raising activities. The problem is that Alito didn't merely assist in planning fund-raising activities, he was a keynote speaker at an American Spectator fund-raiser, which is prohibited by Canon 4.

Is it your contention that Alito can be a keynote speaker at such an event and not violate Canon 4?
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if he was a keynote speaker, that appears to violate cannon...this is noted in "commentary" section:

Canon 4C. A judge may attend fund-raising events of law-related and other organizations although the judge may not be a speaker, a guest of honor, or featured on the program of such an event. Use of a judge’s name, position in the organization, and judicial designation on an organization’s letterhead, including when used for fund raising or soliciting members, does not violate Canon 4C if comparable information and designations are listed for others.
 
Yurt said:
if he was a keynote speaker, that appears to violate cannon...this is noted in "commentary" section:

Canon 4C. A judge may attend fund-raising events of law-related and other organizations although the judge may not be a speaker, a guest of honor, or featured on the program of such an event. Use of a judge’s name, position in the organization, and judicial designation on an organization’s letterhead, including when used for fund raising or soliciting members, does not violate Canon 4C if comparable information and designations are listed for others.
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Agreed. See post #27.
 
Yurt said:
wow...how dishonest...first it was any republican, now it is any in position of power....ok....start by looking at my posts concerning mccain....

do you enjoy lying all the time? because you do it nearly everyday...
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lol...onceler ran away in shame from his dishonest hackery
 
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